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If you have seen Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith this is the place to talk about it. If you haven't, go see it and then come back for a chat.
IMO, this is the best SW movie of all the six. People says it is dark. I rather say it's tragic.
Anakin was not to be blamed for anything. He done all from love. I would do the same in his position...
Revenge of the Sith was a good movie although I don't know if could call it the best. It certainly outdid all the others in terms of visual effects; but that wasn't too hard considering the originals were made twenty+ years ago.
I do think Anakin was partially to blame for his downfall; after all, that is the trademark of any good tragic hero. I also found it interesting that Anakin's fall to the dark side was what caused the events that scared Anakin into considering the dark side to begin with. He was afraid of Padme dying, sought to save her, and the very path he chose to try to save her caused her death. His dream ended up a self-fulfilling prophecy. One wonders if he never had the dream if he would have fallen to the dark side or would the Jedi have percieved that he was headed down the wrong path and helped him turn away before it was too late.
He didn't have this kind of dreams, premonitions for the first time. He had them (with his mother) before doing anything bad/evil/wrong (like killing the sand people that killed his mother).
The Jedi's minds were clouded by the dark side. They could not see that the Sith Lord was amoung them for such a long time. I think they were overwhelmed. They had their limits.
At the end of ROTS I finally understood the "death" of Obi-Wan and Yoda from the "original" movies. I always wondered why Obi-Wan and Yoda's bodies had disapeard while Darth Vader's, a Jedi also, didn't. He just died and his body was burnt. It was because he failed to find the very think he was up to when he fell to the dark side: immortality, the way to cheat death to save Padme. And Yoda and Obi-Wan found it with the help of Qui-Gon. I always though he was a great Jedi, though not a member of the council. He found what no other Jedi did...
I also think that the Jedi treated Anakin with much disrespect. How could they accept him in the council and not make him a master?
And what's the most important idea in the whole saga? That sometimes, to destroy evil you must become evil. And that's why the Jedi failed to understand that Anakin was indeed the one the prophecies told about. But first he had to become a Sith in order to destroy the Sith.
I am going to watch this movie tomorrow... but, let me admit - I don't know any of these characters, or have a clue about what they are gonna fight for... :blush:
Can anyone send a link that'll quickly update me on the profiles of the characters I will see?
Or explain the most important ones in a few words...
Sincere request from someone who ain't (yet) acquainted with the dark side...
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Quick Stats -
Start Wars - ROTS has broken the record for the highest ever revenue earned by a movie in a day, ever.
50 mn USDs, Day 1.
You two have contributed to a part of it... :thumb:
I know. And this is just the beginning... :DQuote:
Start Wars - ROTS has broken the record for the highest ever revenue earned by a movie in a day, ever.
50 mn USDs, Day 1.
Sid, get outta here!! You haven't seen any SW episode :eek: ?! I've seen them all at least 6 times... (well I've only seen ROTS once, I could not buy a ticket today, so I had to postpone the second view for tomorrow...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
OK: here is the quick overview over the entire Star Wars saga.
It all began 28 years ago with SW EP 4: A New Hope. A young man Luke, from Tatooine, buys 2 robots, R2-D2 and C-3PO, which were sent on Tatooine by Princess Leia Organa to search for Obi-Wan Kenobi and determine him to help her and the Rebels agains the Empire and Darth Vader, who held her hostage on the Death Star, the ultimate WMD. Luke and Obi-Wan rush to save her with the help of Han Solo, a smuggler, and his best friend, Chewbacca,a wookie. They are too late to save Princess Leia before she tells Darth Vader were the rebels base is and despite his promis, Lord Vader destroys Alderan, Leia's home planet. The guys rescue Leia but Obi-Wan dies in a fight with Darth Vader, his former apprentice. Later on, the rebels destroy the Death Star and Luke and Han Solo are welcomed as heros.
Before we continue, you must understand what are Jedies. They are people trained to use the Force (an entity formed by all creatures in the universe), the light side of the force actually, to keep the peace in the galaxy. The Jedi were called Knights, but some of them, were Masters. Such Master was Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda. To become a Jedi, one must start his training with a Jedi at a low age, and was called Padawan (apprentice) until the Jedi Council (formed by a few Jedi Masters, about 8 or 10) decides he/she is ready to become Jedi. By the time A New Hope takes place Obi-Wan and Darth Vader were the last Jedies left alive (in the next Episode we meet Yoda).
The Empire Strickes Back, Episode 5, is considered the best of all (I think ROTS is the best). Here The Empire strickes back on the rebels and destroys their bases on planet Hoth. Luke was sent by Obi-Wan (which died in ANH, but appears to Luke) to planet Dagobath to be trained as a Jedi by Yoda, a great Jedi Master (possible the greatest of all). Yoda has big toubles teaching Luke the Jedi arts. Han Solo and Leia, who fell inlove with each other, run to Bespine to hide from Darth Vader but they are betraied by Han's friend, Lando Calrissian forced by Darth Vader. Luke leaves Dagobath to save his friends in touble, but arrives to late: Han Solo is freezed and a bounty hunter, Boba Fett, takes him to Jabba the Hutt to whom Han Solo had some depts to pay. Luke fights Darth Vader who tells him that he is his father. Luke looses the fight and Darth Vader cuts his right hand, which is later replaced with a mechanical one. Lando Calrissian saves Leia after all and together manage to save Luke from a ceatain death, after Darth Vader cut his hand.
In "The Return of the Jedi" Leia and Lando fail in saving Han Solo from Jabba the Hutt and fall his prisoners. But Luke comes and save them all. Before he can become a Jedi he must confront his father again. The Emperor plans to draw Luke to the Dark side and masters a plan for that. Luke is told by Obi-Wan the story of Darh Vader, who was once Anakin Skywalker, the best pilot in the universe and his Padawan. But he was drawn to the dark side, though it was told by a prophecy that he would bring balance to the Force. Just before he dies, Yoda tells Luke that he must kill his father to become a Jedi. He also tells him that Leia is his twin sister. A second Death Star is under construction and is protected by a shield generated by the Endor's moon. Han Solo, Luke, Leia and Chewbacca tries to destroy the shield generator before the fleet of the rebels begins the last major assault on the empire forces. Luke surrends to Darth Vader convinced that he still has something good in him and Vader can be brought to the light side. He fight his father before the Emperor. Luke refuses to succumb to the dark side and cuts his father right arm, only to discover it was a mechanical arm too. Seeing that Luke cannot be turned, the Emperor decides to kill him. Unders Luke's cries Darth Vader kills the Emperor but he suffers fatal wounds and dies. In the end we see Obi-One, Yoda and Anakin Skywalker appearing to Luke. They are all happy. Balance has been restored to the Force.
The Phantom Manace, Episode 1.
Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jin and his young padawan, Obu-Wan Kenobi, are sent to planet Naboo to settle a conflict between the Trade Federation, led by viceroy Gunray and the Naboo people. With the help of a native, a gungan called Jar Jar Binks (the most hated character in Star Wars, he gets only 3 seconds in ROTS :D ) they arrive in Nabbo's capital to save Queen Padme Amidala just before the planet is occupied. Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and the Padme rush to Tatooine, a desert planet. Here Qui-Gon and Padme meet a 9 year boy, called Anakin Skywalker, a slave, who helps them to get the parts they need to repair their ship by winning a ship/car race. The boy is freed by his owner, but not his mather, who remains on Tatooine. Qui-Gon takes Anakin with him to train him as a Jedi, because he had the greates number of mitoclondries (some entities that are present in all the living cells, and are together, the Force). Shmi Skywalker, Anakin's mother, tells Qui-Gon that the boy doesn't have a father (like Jesus). The Jedi Council, led by Yoda and Master Windu refuses to allow Qui-Gon to train him, becase it is too old, and his future is clouded. But Qui-Gon disobeys council's decision because he is convinced that Anakin is the one prophecized to bring balence to the Force by destroying the Sith order. Helping Padme to eliberate her planet, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan meet Darth Maul, a Sith lord, send to kill Padme. Qui-Gon is killed but Obi-Wan kills Darth Maul. Naboo is freed and Senator Palpatine, a senator from Naboo is elected the new Suprem Chancellar of the Galactic Senate. Obi-Wan, a Jedi now, decides to train Anakin as a Jedi because he had great trust in Qui-Gon.
The Attack of the Clones, episode 2
Padme is now a Senator of Naboo (taking Palpatine's place) and she is the target of an assasination. The Jedi Council, at the recommendation of Chancellor Palpatine, sends Obi-Wan and his padawan, Anakin, to protect her and discover who is behind the assasination. Anakin, 19 years old, and Padme 24 years old, have not seen each other in the last 10 years, but Anakin dreamed her each night. He quickly falls in love with her, despite the Jedi's rules that they are not allowed to love. He and Padme leave Coruscant, the capital of the Galaxy, to Naboo to protect her. Obi-Wan rushes to Kamino, a planet at the Outer Ream, where he discovers that a Jedi placed an order for a clone army 10 years ago. Anakin is haunted by nightmares with is mother dying and leaves with Padme to Tatooine to save her. But he is too late. She was taken by the sand people and tortured. She dies moments after he finds her. Raged by hate he kills all the sand people, men, women, children... All. Obi-Wan is following the leads and arrives on Genoisis where he is taken prisoner by Count Dooku, the leader of the separatist army, aka Darth Tyranous. Padme and Ankin rush to save him but fell cative too. They are all sent in an arena to be killed (like in the Colosseum) but they kill the animals. Count Dooku send his droind to terminate them, but Yoda saves the day with the Clone Army from Kamino. Back to Naboo, Anakin and Padme marry in secrecy (Jedi are not allowed to love, let alone to marry). The clone war has began.
And to understand Episode 3: the Sith oder was formed by a few Jedi that wanted more power. They conquered a planet called Sith and took its inhabitans as slaves. In their search for power they were almost destroyed, but reorganized: each sith lord was allowed to have a single padawan. They have the same training and believes as the Jedi, only that the former use the dark side of the force to achieve their goals.
I'll have to respectfully disagree here. That he was motivated by love does not absolve him from responsibility for his actions. Anakin was short-sighted and ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
I just got back from the movie, and thought it was pretty good. Ian McDiarmid went rather over the top from his fight against Mace Windu onward, and Vader screaming "Nooooo!" was just about the worst thing ever, but overall it was a decent movie. Definitely the best of the three prequels. :)
Yeah... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cilu
Leaving in another 2 hours to see ROTS.
Cilu, Special thanks for that very informative reply... ;)
It certainly helps me understand the underlying context driving the movie... :thumb::thumb::thumb:
Ciao,
Sid!
Sorry for the countless typing and grammar mistakes. It was late in the night and I was tired. :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
I think that scene when Darth Sidious\Palpatine lies Darth Vader that he killed Padme is the most dramatic of all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smasher/Devourer
I don't think the acting in ROTS was all that great.
However, I thought the storyline and the way it connects with the films on both sides was great! I would definately call it the best of the three recent films, but nothing can compete with the good old ones ;)
I found this video for you star wars folks :) .
http://wimp.com/galaxy/
I disagree. Hayden was absolutelly great. He made everything credible. He's so great when he's mad or confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazzBomBoe
For years I was wondering why C-3PO does not remember Obi-Wan, Anakin or other things from the clone wars. I thought that the only solution to this puzzle was that his memory had been erased. And That's exactly what happened. But I don't see the mobile here. That's the only drawback of the story...Quote:
However, I thought the storyline and the way it connects with the films on both sides was great!
Obviously everyone has his/her own preferences, which should not be debateable. I'm a Star Wars fan for 15 years, I've seen all the episodes at least 6 times, but I like this one the most.Quote:
I would definately call it the best of the three recent films, but nothing can compete with the good old ones ;)
I've just seen it for the second time and this time the music hit me the most. It's so dramatic, so grave. And at the end, when the twins are born and delivered to their abopting families the music sudenlly changes, going back to the original score from 1977, and there is joy and hope in it. John Williams is a true master. :thumb:
I just returned... this is the closest to liking a Sci-Fi I can get.
In my opinion, the movie is slickly made, creative, and it is really amazing how the director has got the many people to do the acting given that the entire movie, the scenery, the weaponry, the vehicles, the space worked upon is mostly computer generated.
A real technological marvel.
It is a definite must-see even for those who are not acquainted with the Dark side of the Force...
I cant understand only one thing, Why Lucas beging his movie with the 4th part
Maybe because that one was the only one he could do within the budget? Or maybe he just liked that one better ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skoons
But the part where Aniken was all nubby and on fire crawling up the rocks with his robot arm, that was kinda disturbing
No, it was because at the beginning he didn't have the whole saga in mind. I've seen the first (out of four) draft for Star Wars (the one from '77) and it was very different that the final draft. Lucas got the idea for the rest of the saga (including episodes 7-9) while filming for A New Hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Notsosuperhero
In an interview, Lucas commented on the notes and writing he had for the first three eposide. For the last movie, only like 60% was from his notes and the other 40% was filler that he added in making the movie. The first two movies were only a fraction of his original story notes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skoons
What I took out of the answers he was giving was that Star Wars was the movie he was making and the "first three" were really his 'background notes and information for the movie.
It was also interesting that he stated that the feedback from initial screenings was that it wasn't clear why Anikin turned to the dark side. As such, they ended up reshooting and fixing a lot of that.
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For those watching records - it did break the Midnight showing record, the opening day record, and the four day record. It did not break the opening week-end record ; however, it wasn't expected to. It was known that opening on Thursday would drain off some of the week-end viewers - which it did.
Brad!
cilu, this makes for one good "Star Wars for dummies" book :D :D :D :D :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
Yeah... something like that... Hopefully there were no synopsis mistakes, because I was very tired when I wrote the "quick handbook" for Siddhartha (and others that didn't see Star Wars episodes, though I'm wondering if there are any). ;)Quote:
cilu, this makes for one good "Star Wars for dummies" book
Guys tell me please who is your favorite hero from the SW. I like the robot (can`t remeber his name but he was speachless he was only beeping like modem)
:rolleyes: Umm.... That would be R2-D2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skoons
You are talking about R2-D2 (aka Artoo-Deetoo).Quote:
Originally Posted by Skoons
My favorite character is Anakin, because he and I are so alike.
Lucas was right. Star Wars has 2 find of fans. The fans over 25 years old, which are devoted to the first three episodes, and the fans under 25 years old that like the prequels more.
Budget. He says that quite often in his interviews. He knew the first three involved a lot of wars and special effects that he just couldn't accomplish at the time. Also why he remade IV, V and VI when the technology caught up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skoons
The lame Darth Vader "nooooo" was because he really couldn't inflect his voice in the helmet... the "machinery" that made him didn't really have that much of a personality...
I think NatThoelecke brings up a VERY good point in that the dreams caused the turn and the turn caused the dream to come true... interesting!
I disagree with you Cilu... It wasn't becoming evil to kill evil that brought balance but his having Luke and Leia that brought balance. They're the prophecy!
My fav is Aniken/Darth Vader, Darth Vader has to be one of the, if not THE coolest personallities in movies.
p.s. I especially like nubby Aniken on fire climbing the hill with his robot arm :D
i'm 24 n loved the IV-VI episodes more than the I n II... episode III certainly the most daramatic one... :thumb::thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
i think the storyline was great, the fear of losing padm mad anakin fall to the dark side, but what i don't really get is the last part where darth vader could believe the lie, about padm's death, a "noooooooo" from darth vader is certaily not enough i think. he should at least run amok or something... go burn down a city to show his anger or frustration..
on more thing, the death of all the jedi killed by the troopers, just don't seem right, their death seemed so easy, even the jedi master from the jedi counsil, they were killed just like that.. thats one sad way to die for a jedi, shot from behind by the clones..... hmmm
ahh overall the movie was the most dramatic and just great, can't wait forthe DVD to come out, i have to buy the whole collection and watch I-VI.... :thumb:
i agree with this the most, having luke and leia brings balance to the force..Quote:
Originally Posted by gurlygirl
my fav char is darth vader of course, but i also like general grieveous.. haha ..
No. Not Luke and Leia brought balance to the Foce. Anakin did. He destroyed the Sith order, by killing Darth Tyranous and Darth Sidious. But to bring balance to the force he had to become a Sith and destroy the Jedi Order first and then the Sith Order. Luke and Leia were the ones to restore (unfortuantelly) the Jedi order. But Anakin was The One.Quote:
Originally Posted by gurleygirl
I agree here. Anakin/Vader would have done something in his rage. He loved her so much he would have at least tried to find her tomb and pay a last visit or something... But that would have made the movie 3 hours long or more...Quote:
i think the storyline was great, the fear of losing padm mad anakin fall to the dark side, but what i don't really get is the last part where darth vader could believe the lie, about padm's death, a "noooooooo" from darth vader is certaily not enough i think. he should at least run amok or something... go burn down a city to show his anger or frustration..
http://thunder.prohosting.com/~spiff/history.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by gurleygirl
The last 2 paragraphs are very interesting... I must start reading the books.
In any way Lucas made super specialeffects 25 years ago. When you see th 4rth or 6th episodes you understand what work was done. But the 1rts episode as for me was bad, when you compare it with all others
Yes, I agree, the are too many special effects and the Jar Jar Binks character was a little bit too much...Quote:
Originally Posted by Skoons
Well, I saw Revenge of the Sith yesterday, and I have now had a day to reflect on it.
I needed at least a day to think about it, because my initial reaction coming out of the theater was not one I would have expected.
Up front I have to say that ROTS is an excellent movie, one that merits acclaim. There are a few (typical) Lucasonianly turgid lines of dialog, but in the whole wash the movie is, easily, the most emotionaly dramatic of all six.
Sometimes clichés are true, and the one that comes to mind is "...be careful what you wish for, 'cause it just might come true!". Well, for 28 years I have wished for, among other things, to see the details of how Anakin Skywalker ends up taking the slide to the dark side, and how he comes to be the walking half man/machine that terrorizes Empirical Admirals in The Empire Strikes back.
We, the fans, have ALWAYS known, from the beginning, out of Lucas own mouth, that a big factor in Anakin's dehumanization was the result of a brutal, last encounter between Himself and Obi Wan.
The scene is emotional and horrifying, as well as heart breaking. And I found it very difficult to watch. It seems, that after 28 years of wanting to see it, that I didn't really want to see it at all. No more than you would desire to watch someone close to you in your own family suffer some awful fate.
The suffering I refer to is Obi Wans' and Padme's. As far as I was concerned, Anakin got what was coming to him.
I empathize with Obi Wan, and he says it all in his last speech to Anakin. I whole-heartedly agree with everything he says. When Obi Wan walks away from the long fandom expected climax, he sighs heavily in emotional horror, emotionally scarred and traumatized. His tragic last encounter with Anakin is not something that he is going to relish reflecting on during 20 years of exile on Tatooine. And now George Lucas has made sure that neither do I wish to reflect on it.
I am not in a hurry to go see it any time soon, and might not get around to a second viewing for a long time. It's etched in my mind like it is etched in Obi Wan's.
It is some solace to know that in the end Lukes' genuine love for his father reaches through Anakins' prideful, tormented mind and emboldens him to fullfill the prophecy and destroy the Emperor. After a lifetime of being a cold blooded murderer, whose vctims unjustifiedly include a room full of children, killing Palpatine is the least he could do. The very least.
I like Obi Wan Kenobi now better than I ever had before. I have a new found respect and admiration for his courage to something that was very difficult to do, but needed to be done.
Anakin may not have hewn down Padme with a light Sabre, but he did kill her.
I highly recommend that all Star Wars fans go see it. Once.
Skeet
Skeet, you seem to be a long time SW fan. SW: ANH was released 2 years before I was born so we don't share the same SW fan longness. However, I've seen each episode at least 6 times and I can say that I was waiting for about 10 years to see the fall of Anakin and the born of Darth Vader. ROTS was beyond my expectations. I've already seen ROTS twice and I plan to see it again very soon.
I can't stop thinking of how Anakin fall. He was so deeply inlove that he crossed every line in his desperate search for a way to save the woman he loved. And the fact that his own fall was the cause of Padme's death is troubleing. The part with "He's healty, but we are loosing her and we don't know why" wasn't a very good end IMO. Padme was all her life a figher, a woman that stood strong against any perils, but he gave up on Anakin so easly. Padme we know from Ep 1&2 would certainly have fought to bring Anakin back. And Anakin we know, when told that Padme was dead, would have rush to find her, or her body and try anything to bring her back, even force Palpatine to bring her back. That "Nooooo" was not enough for a man that slaughtered "younglings" just to save her...
Besides the story, the music of the film is great. John Williams is Bethoween of Hollywood. You can close your eyes, listen to the music and perceive everything that happens. The danger, the sorrow, the peril, the hope...
... Would Darth Vader have attacked the Emperor if Luke wasn't in danger? There was no indication that D.V. was thinking about turning UNTIL he discovered his son lived... no Luke, no dead Sith.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
The prosecution rests, Your Honor.
\\Of course, Anakin wouldn't have turned if it weren't for Padme's pregnancy thus never becoming a sith so that he could turn back and destroy the sith. (…Again the children fulfill the prophecy!!)
Sith order is not destroyed. Read the Databank on starwars.com
The Star Wars is more than just the episodes that made it to the movies, although many will argue that it is the movies that are Star Wars and basta. Well, personally, I am split between the two opinions, but I allow for the background story which is NOT depicted in the movies. And the background story tells:
Darth Sidious did not die when Vader had thrown him down the reactor pit. Palpatine is skilfully eluding death by transferring his conciousness into a clone body upon that body's demise, and starting it all over again. Later Luke will turn to the dark side, by realizing just how nearly impossible it is to fight Sidius from the Jedi point of view, when Sidius always finds a clone body to transfer himself to. The clones Palpatine uses for his resurrection are held and matured on a distant secret planet by the way. Back to Luke: Facing Palpatine and knowing he cannot win, Luke bows down to him (just like Anakin, his father) and submits (seemingly) to his will, accepting to be his Sith apprentice. Luke's plan is to defeat Palpatine from the inside, by coming closer to him as an apprentice and then destroying him. His plan failed to work at first, and only with the help of Leia he managed to first uncome from the dark side of the force again, and overthrow Palpatine once and for all, by destroying not only his present body and mind by killing him, but also destroying his cloning facility, so that Palpatine would not be able to do his conciousness-transference thing. This is all (loosely) taken from starwars.com' Databank. It is a good read for hardcode fans :D
It also says that Palpatine is so skilled with lightsabre, that most of those who fight him cannot see his blade moving. That doesnt include Yoda and Mace, apparently ;)
I know. And Luke falled to the Dark Side too and was later saved by Leia. You can read about it at Sith Temple.Quote:
Sith order is not destroyed. Read the Databank on starwars.com
http://thunder.prohosting.com/~spiff/history.html (scroll down to the end).
Something for you cilu:
writing gets better towards the end:
http://darthside.blogspot.com/
heh (snapping turtle)
http://sithsense.com/flash.htm
Mick is back... Thanks for the links...
Ok I guess I'll bite and post my opinion on the movie. But Ill make it short and sweet I hope. Also I must state, I am not really a Star Wars fan, to me they are just "some other movies" basically.
I saw the movie on Friday (the 20th), and then I saw eposode I and II on the Sunday (22nd) cuz they were having a Star Wars weekend on the tv. I found that helped me cuz I only saw Episode 2 once, when it came out, so I forgot most of it.
Anyway, overall, IMO it is the best movie of the first 3 episodes. The action is great, and special effects are good. I especially enjoyed the darker and more serious feel of this movie. There were no silly and childlish things in it, like in other SW films (for example those dumb furry creatures, or Jar Jar). I enjoyed it.
The negatives:
1) To me, the story doesn't really make 100% sense when u take episodes 1 and 2 into account. Like who is trying to kill Padme in Ep II, and why? There are some other things, that I didn't get. I've forgot now. I guess it doesnt bother me too much.
2) Acting and dialog. I have found lots of acting and dialog really cheese and lame in most of Star Wars movies. This is especially true in Ep 2 and 3. more specifically I'll refer to the scenes b/w Anakin and Padme. In Ep2 the guy is a total creep. If you talked like that to girls in real life, u'll never get laid. trust me. In Ep 3 dialog b/w them isn't much better. It's just all classic lame things we get in those cheesy made for TV romance movies. other acting isn't really all that strong neither. And it's not the fault of the actors. They are all a very capable bunch. IMO Geroge Lucas just doesn't know how to direct his actors, and get them to express well. Plus the crappy dialog at times doesnt help. There are some strong acting parts though. I liked Anakin's transition to the dark side, and I think that actor (whatever his name is) did a pretty good job. Also McGregor guy did a pretty good job of playing his character, especially in the 2nd half of the movie when Anakin turns to dark side. And ofcourse Yoda did an excellent job again.
Ok I wrote more than I intended. Anyway, as I said I enjoyed the movie overall.
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In episode 2 Padme is the leader of the unionists, those who try to keep the Republic. Count Dooke is the separatists leader and they tried to assasinate her because she was their strong opponent.Quote:
Like who is trying to kill Padme in Ep II, and why?
Can you give an example?Quote:
I have found lots of acting and dialog really cheese and lame in most of Star Wars movies. This is especially true in Ep 2 and 3. more specifically I'll refer to the scenes b/w Anakin and Padme. In Ep2 the guy is a total creep. If you talked like that to girls in real life, u'll never get laid. trust me.
Hayden Christensen is the name of the Canadian actor that played Anakin in Episodes 2 and 3. I also think he did a great job with Anakin's transition to the dark side. Excellent acting. :thumb:Quote:
I liked Anakin's transition to the dark side, and I think that actor (whatever his name is) did a pretty good job.
Anaking is my favorite person in StarWars the best he has done he turned to dark side of the force :wave:
Believe me, this was not the end of the StarWars saga...
I believe it. They just like to be fashionably late.Quote:
Believe me, this was not the end of the StarWars saga...
All of the actress are under agreement till 2020. So I think there is something waiting in the wings. Even if it's a resuscitation of the old series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Notsosuperhero
As I said: It still continues.:
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To be exactly there is no balance or disbalance in the force in the galaxy. If cath main idea of SW right threis only force which flows through everything, and we have two ways to controll it first one is in controlling our emotions, habits and so on, second one is to allow our emotions to rule us, and focuse the force. So we got two ways of controling one of them called dark (darth) and another light. But when is full controll of force is achieved there can not be dark or light side because the force is fully neutral, it has not emotions and wishes, and full controll makes you unemtional creature with no wishes
I hope so...Quote:
Originally Posted by NoHero
Only the actresses, not the actors? That means only Carrie Fisher and Natalie Portman... I didn't know about such an agreement, but I don't think it has something to do with the making of another series. Episodes 7-9 have nothing to do with Padme, and I think Carrie Fisher is too old to play Leia again...Quote:
All of the actress are under agreement till 2020. So I think there is something waiting in the wings. Even if it's a resuscitation of the old series.
Huuups... :wave: (take this smilie as it would smack his own head) ... Both actors and actress... And the books and the characters exists... Don't they? Or why are the children of Leia and Han Solo in the Star Wars database? That's strange... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
sure, but Dooku works for sid. and padme is so instrumental to Anaking turning to the dark side, why would sid want to kill her? Also, Why would Palpatine kidnap himself (at the start) and then put himself on a ship crashing into Coruscant? Also how does Padme die of a "broken heart" and it's as if she just doens't want to live any more?? They already had a perfectly plausibe reason for her death: due to the labour, and injuries suffered from Anakin's grip. It's was just silly how she dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
In Ep2, Anakin and Pamde just basically met (remember they havent seen each other in 10 years), and he starts telling her things like "I love you", and "I thought about you every day all these years" or something like that. I mean come on, that's just creepy... To me it seems like its almost impossible to understand why Padme would fall for Anakin. There isn’t a scene that makes it understandable or even believable that she is actually falling in love with him. He doesn't really have any charm or grace or other qualities that most people find redeeming. The pair only partially comes close to having real human emotions when they are on a picnic with the giant ***-monsters. Even there, instead of laying the groundwork for love, they talk about politics and how Anakin wants a steel fisted dictatorship to rule the galaxy. smooth...Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
I know I am not the only one who feels the dialog, and especially the scenes between Anaking and Padme were not that good. And again, I don't plame the actors, I blame Lucas.
Like some review said:
Again, it doesn't really ruin the movies for me, but its somehwat disappointing.Quote:
. Lucas doesn't trust his own actors or his own direction to portray this emotion so he fills up the script with extra dialog to explain to us how people feel. I've seen Natalie Portman in real dramatic roles, I know she can do it, Lucas does not. My bet is no editor on earth would correct a script by Lucas.
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I have remembered joke, it was very popular in the MATRIX movie times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latem
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- the spoon not exists
Hmm I am not sure I know what you are talking about :) That quote (as well as my avatar) comes from The Rejected Cartoon, and I dont think that part of the film had to do w/ The Matrix. It was actually nominated for 2000 Oscar for best Short Film (Animated). This means, and if you have seen this film you'll probably agree, that pretty much anyone can draw up a cartoon and get an Oscar nomination. It is pretty funny though. If you haven't seen it, just search for it in Kazaa, Bittorrent, or whatever else you use. Or I think that guy that made it sells the DVD on his site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skoons
Anyway, it's kinda off topic so lets not hijack this thread. :)
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