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  1. #1
    Join Date
    May 1999
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    47

    Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    Some of you have already shared your opinion about the changes to the codeguru site. Please share your opinions and suggestions here.

    What are the changes you liked and what are the ones you did not like?

    Thanks,
    Zafir

    [1999-9-7 10:15pm]
    Just finished talking to the lawyer. I know I said the terms would get updated today but there was a little confusion and I ended up getting something that applied to the other sections of developer.com but not CodeGuru. I am hoping it will get done tomorrow.

    There is absolutely no problem in stating that the authors retain their ownership since that is indeed the reality. However, Earthweb on it's own cannot grant unrestricted use of the code without help from the authors. Since the only reason to submit code to CodeGuru is to share it with other developers we will make the free use permission a part of the process.

    More later...

    [1999-9-7 12:44pm]
    Well, I took off on long weekend and am now ready to take on the world. Actually I am still submerged in work so it will be a while before I take on the world.

    Status:
    Legal notice: The lawyers have been contacted and the legal notice should get updated today. Here's what I've proposed

    "We encourage the use of the source code in these pages in commercial as well as noncommercial software. Please note that if you want to republish the code in source code form, you need to get the authors' permission"


    The laywers are sure to change the wording but I hope that the new document will allay any fears about the code use.

    Many people have commented about the sale of the website and the sale price. I have no regrets about the sale although I could certainly have done a better job of the transition. After working eighty hour weeks, you start to wonder how long it can be sustained. I am proud to have been instumental in creating such a resource - and it still is an excellent resource for developers.

    I hope you will continue to find the site useful and continue giving us feedback on how to improve the site.

    I will now respond to some of the posts individually so please be patient.


    [1999-9-3 6:47pm]
    Mark Schlack, Vice President for WorldWide content at Earthweb has made a couple of comments to clarify the issues (see below). The gist of the post are

    1. The author of the code is still the owner of the code.

    2. Since Earthweb does not own the submitted code it cannot assign any right to the users.

    3. Here's a paragraph about code use from the submission guidelines.

    While we are talking about copyrights, you retain copyright of your article and code but by submitting it to CodeGuru you give it permission to use it in a fair manner and also permit all developers to freely use the code in their own applications - even if they are commercial.

    CodeGuru has always been about sharing code and helping each other.

    As for the wavy green margin, a redesign is in the works and it will certainly be removed.

    We will be fine tuning the search engine over the next few days and hope to provide a much better functionality over the next few days.

    The system folks will be looking into the speed issue.


    [1999-9-3 4:47pm]
    There has been a lot of posts about the use of the code and its ownership. Here's what the legal stuff says

    "PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF ANY COPYRIGHTS OF ANY CONTENT YOU SUBMIT"

    That is, although the web page is owned by Earthweb, the copyright of the code is still retained by the author of the code. You can continue to use the code within the limitations set forth by the author (some of the authors require you to add their name in the about box etc.).



    [1999-9-2 3:10pm]
    The general comments seem to be
    a) the wavy left margin sucks
    b) the search engine doesn't work
    c) the site is slower
    d) the width of the pages have been fixed

    Here are some quick responses below but first I'd like to request you to keep the comments coming. Do also make suggestions on how we can improve the site.

    a) personally I don't care either way about the wavy left margin. What I care about most is the quality of the content. This is where my focus is going to be.

    b) the search engine is certainly important. We are working on it and it should be fixed soon.

    c) speed is certainly an issue. Needs investigation.

    d) although the width of some of the pages have been fixed (mostly for the benefit of non techies), the articles themselves don't have a fixed width. Widening the browser window will cause the articles to use the extra space.


  2. #2
    Join Date
    Aug 1999
    Posts
    47

    Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    Some of you have already shared your opinion about the changes to the codeguru site. Please share your opinions and suggestions here.

    What are the changes you liked and what are the ones you did not like?

    Thanks,
    Zafir

    [1999-9-7 10:15pm]
    Just finished talking to the lawyer. I know I said the terms would get updated today but there was a little confusion and I ended up getting something that applied to the other sections of developer.com but not CodeGuru. I am hoping it will get done tomorrow.

    There is absolutely no problem in stating that the authors retain their ownership since that is indeed the reality. However, Earthweb on it's own cannot grant unrestricted use of the code without help from the authors. Since the only reason to submit code to CodeGuru is to share it with other developers we will make the free use permission a part of the process.

    More later...

    [1999-9-7 12:44pm]
    Well, I took off on long weekend and am now ready to take on the world. Actually I am still submerged in work so it will be a while before I take on the world.

    Status:
    Legal notice: The lawyers have been contacted and the legal notice should get updated today. Here's what I've proposed

    "We encourage the use of the source code in these pages in commercial as well as noncommercial software. Please note that if you want to republish the code in source code form, you need to get the authors' permission"


    The laywers are sure to change the wording but I hope that the new document will allay any fears about the code use.

    Many people have commented about the sale of the website and the sale price. I have no regrets about the sale although I could certainly have done a better job of the transition. After working eighty hour weeks, you start to wonder how long it can be sustained. I am proud to have been instumental in creating such a resource - and it still is an excellent resource for developers.

    I hope you will continue to find the site useful and continue giving us feedback on how to improve the site.

    I will now respond to some of the posts individually so please be patient.


    [1999-9-3 6:47pm]
    Mark Schlack, Vice President for WorldWide content at Earthweb has made a couple of comments to clarify the issues (see below). The gist of the post are

    1. The author of the code is still the owner of the code.

    2. Since Earthweb does not own the submitted code it cannot assign any right to the users.

    3. Here's a paragraph about code use from the submission guidelines.

    While we are talking about copyrights, you retain copyright of your article and code but by submitting it to CodeGuru you give it permission to use it in a fair manner and also permit all developers to freely use the code in their own applications - even if they are commercial.

    CodeGuru has always been about sharing code and helping each other.

    As for the wavy green margin, a redesign is in the works and it will certainly be removed.

    We will be fine tuning the search engine over the next few days and hope to provide a much better functionality over the next few days.

    The system folks will be looking into the speed issue.


    [1999-9-3 4:47pm]
    There has been a lot of posts about the use of the code and its ownership. Here's what the legal stuff says

    "PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF ANY COPYRIGHTS OF ANY CONTENT YOU SUBMIT"

    That is, although the web page is owned by Earthweb, the copyright of the code is still retained by the author of the code. You can continue to use the code within the limitations set forth by the author (some of the authors require you to add their name in the about box etc.).



    [1999-9-2 3:10pm]
    The general comments seem to be
    a) the wavy left margin sucks
    b) the search engine doesn't work
    c) the site is slower
    d) the width of the pages have been fixed

    Here are some quick responses below but first I'd like to request you to keep the comments coming. Do also make suggestions on how we can improve the site.

    a) personally I don't care either way about the wavy left margin. What I care about most is the quality of the content. This is where my focus is going to be.

    b) the search engine is certainly important. We are working on it and it should be fixed soon.

    c) speed is certainly an issue. Needs investigation.

    d) although the width of some of the pages have been fixed (mostly for the benefit of non techies), the articles themselves don't have a fixed width. Widening the browser window will cause the articles to use the extra space.


  3. #3
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    Hate the cyan wavy left margin.
    Hate that the main page is hardcoded to a specific width regardless of how wide my browser is.
    Hate that the main page takes even longer to load than before.



  4. #4
    Join Date
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    Location
    Zagreb, Croatia
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    Well, hm, the old one is better

    2nd - whem I'm in searching mode, it'll be nice to "fixed" buttons (prev/next) to one position on the screen. Because when I'm in "flat mode", now, I must scroll back if I want more examples.

    Also, it'll be nice that "home" button exist.

    Best regards.


  5. #5
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    Goodbye CodeGuru, now that you have disappeared into the bowels of Earthweb and developer, a lot of source code will now be withdrawn from the codeguru site. The "old" guru was unique and we always knew where to look for good MFC code. Navigation is a nightmare, the colours are dreadful, the look and feel is equally appalling. Try entering a search for "MFC source" from Earthweb. - 0 documents returned.
    Farewell, I will now look for another site known for its uniqueness and mindful of its target audience.


  6. #6
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    You have to change the wavey patch on the left. It's obscuring some of the text in the articles, and clearly that sucks. Make it narrower or change the margin on the articles or something. As far as the look goes, I was quite partial to the old design. I hope the flavour of the site does not change !!


  7. #7
    Join Date
    Sep 1999
    Posts
    1

    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    One word.... Dreadful!

    I was worried when I heard about the acquisition (sp?), but my fears are confirmed. Its much slower, the colors are horrid,
    and the layout is cramped. I hope that the other qualities of codeguru do not follow suit.

    I guess all good things come to an end sooner or later (horrible fact of life) ;(


  8. #8
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    well.. to put it simply... it sux
    the old one was much better


  9. #9
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    It's all screwed up. The link's are broken. Example, go to:
    Advanced UI --> General --> Voice Command Enabling Your Software
    and click on the Comments links at the end of the article. Even the Comments from the page raised by the second link have nothing to do with the article itself. This sucks big time, if it is indicative of the changes.


  10. #10
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    This is terrible. Codeguru WAS the best. This really sucks. I was concerned when I read about the transition. Now I have to look elsewhere for good MFC examples and developers to chat with. I am sorry but the new site really sucks. The old one was the best.

    Earthweb really sucks as well. They have been known in the developer community for nothing. The earthweb site sucks, and the content is absolutely worthless expecially to MFC developers.

    Why? Why? Why?


  11. #11
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    I have read a few of the previous comments and I heartily agree that this site now both sucks and blows at the same time. I used to check this site twice a day at least. I have found the code samples extremely useful. I can't even find them on the search engine now. This afternoon at work you had a now utility to download. It was a syntax highlighting editor. Tonight at home with the new site, it doesn't even show up on the "What's New" list. In fact most of the August additions don't show up. I tried searching for "syntax", and "editor" on the search engine and they didn't show up there either.

    I hope you are just in transition and that things pick up in the near future. You have a LOT of unhappy campers out here, and I'm joinging the list.


  12. #12
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    The old was was definately better.
    As for the sites in general it was a very good one. This developer.com style drops this down several and several steps. Codeguru was clear, easily read and made sense.. Now.. =(
    It would be nice to see old site back, add some logos/links to developer.com or maybe they could redesing their site..


  13. #13
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    All the new stuff is gone... source links are missing... search links are gone... and developer.com has a reputation as a site by the clueless, for the clueless. CodeGuru was good; kudo's to the people who cashed out for better things and off to find the next CodeGuru...


  14. #14
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    Holy slow! I can't believe how much slower the response time is now!

    What's with the fixed width, anyway? I'm positive my video card can handle greater than 640 pixels wide... wait, let me check... wow, it goes all the way up to 1600 pixels wide!

    Hey, I can write a search engine like that... lessee:

    printf("Your search matched 0 of 0 documents.\n");

    And oh, the missing links.

    Bring back the old site, please!


  15. #15
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    Re: Add your comment about the new look and feel of CodeGuru

    I'm very sad and disappointed. The new "codeguru" is just plain awful. I don't like the motif, the color, or the association with developer.com. I liked the old codeguru because it had substance--a rarity in this society nowadays. And because real code gurus posted substantive articles there. They provided real answers to people's questions, whether the questions were simple or complex. People held nothing back as far as I could tell. They felt free to post good code and discuss real issues rather than wonder if they were potentially losing $ by saying this or posting that for free. Everyone was uplifted by it. In my opinion, the stuff on developer.com has always been pretty innane, the standard "yes you can!" pap we see so much in popular magazines, programming and otherwise. I guess yet another thing of real substance bites the dust in our increasingly superficial society. I sincerely hope I'm wrong in guessing that codeguru "has reached the end of its development cycle", as they say. Please tell me: Where do I go now?


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