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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    Not a web scriptie, but I can understand that the content may be buffered when asking to verify the user. When verified, the same buffered content can be used by web server.
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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    I can address the changes regarding line breaks in the textual paragraphs.

    That would most likely be done by an editor on Codeguru. The reason soft returns (line breaks) in text would be removed is to allow the width of the sentences in the paragraph wrap based on the browser as well as to allow the paragraphs flow as would be expected in standard English. Most of the times when line breaks are used, the information looks and reads "choppy." Unless you are writing poetry, it is better to leave them out and present things in paragraphs.

    If we were talking about line breaks in code, I'd absolutely side with you guys as the technical experts. We are talking about grammar and textual presentations. When we make changes to the text from a grammatical perspective, it is to make you look better.

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    This is 'fixing' an article just as it is when an editor fixes a misspelled word, or something that is grammatically incorrect.

    If there is a specific reason you believe the text should not be changed, then add a comment at the top of your article (HTML Comment) or within the notes box. Personally, I think specifying individual sentence breaks is goofy in that it violates the standard grammatical concept of paragraph flow and thus is poor grammatical presentation.
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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    This response is the same post as above (for
    the most part). If you are using a resolution
    of about 800 wide, you think it is fine. If you
    are using 1024 or higher, you are cursing me for
    wasting vertical space rather than letting the
    text flow to the width my browser supports.


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    I can address the changes regarding line
    breaks in the textual paragraphs.

    That would most likely be done by an editor
    on Codeguru. The reason soft returns (line
    breaks) in text would be removed is to allow
    the width of the sentences in the paragraph
    wrap based on the browser as well as to
    allow the paragraphs flow as would be expected
    in standard English. Most of the times when line
    breaks are used, the information looks and reads
    "choppy." Unless you are writing poetry, it is better
    to leave them out and present things in paragraphs.

    If we were talking about line breaks in code,
    I'd absolutely side with you guys as the technical
    experts. We are talking about grammar and
    textual presentations. When we make changes
    to the text from a grammatical perspective, it is
    to make you look better.

    Brad
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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    I had a feeling that the editor was under the impression that its wrong or goofy to put line breaks in there.
    A professional writer gave me that tip, so I strongly disagree.
    I also remember that rule from middle school, and it's not just for poetry.
    Starting a sentence near the end of a line, is a no-no.

    Regardless of our opinion on grammer, the fact still remains that my text flies way off the screen.....
    The reader must scroll to the side to read certain pages.
    Wicked GOOFY.

    I just noticed, that only one page of my last article, is now flying off the screen, so this may vary depending on the ads.
    A proof read may have missed this then.

    Please take a look at this page, and tell me if you can read the first paragraph.
    http://www.codeguru.com/vb/gen/vb_sy...php/c16501__4/


    Here is my perspective, and valid argument. (IE7, IE8, XP/7)
    Last edited by TT(n); October 31st, 2009 at 07:48 PM.

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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    Ah -

    That is a result of the width of the code and is tied more to the way HTML and web pages work than to grammar. The specific "goofiness" that you point out will actually go away in the next major update we do of Codeguru (likely within the next 30 days).

    There is a secondary is that is tied to how the PRE tag works in HTML documents. The PRE tag is what all of us use for code listings. That way to really fix that is to have scroll boxes for source code listings (something being looked at in an update for Codeguru right now as well).

    As to:
    Starting a sentence near the end of a line, is a no-no.
    I'm not aware of rules in the Chicago Manual of Style (standard book used by virtually all publishers) regarding where a line starts. I'm actually going to look into this on this out of curiosity because I'm not currently aware of any such rule for standard writing.

    Let me add --- Thanks for the dialog/discussion. If people have issues, the only way we can know what they are and address them is if they speak up. I believe our ultimate goal is to make you the author as well as this site look good.

    Brad!
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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    I should add -- (This is me talking personally and not representing this site) --

    A professional writer gave me that tip, so I strongly disagree.
    I know a lot of professional writers. In fact as an internationally best-selling author with nearly two dozen books and over a hundred articles to my name, I'm a professional writer. It just isn't my day job.

    If I want to know how to convert concepts to words, I'd ask a writer. If I wanted to know how to construct words into correct grammatical structure, I'd ask an editor.

    Regardless, let's see if the update that is coming for Codeguru article pages helps alleviate some of your issues. Give me 30 days with that, as it is coming.

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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    Okay thanks!

    I tried to find out if there is an actual rule for line breaks.
    I cannot find any such official rule, other than for hyphenation.

    This is more a writing style, that makes it easier for the reader.
    The reader does not have to remember the sentence fragment, while they are returning left, to the next line. Especially long lines.
    It breaks up the flow of thought otherwise.
    Published books likely save alot of paper though.

    This style is useless, until the forum upgrades come, so I completely understand.

    Thank you for acknowledging the issues are real.

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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    I had just always assumed this was a cliche topic. I guess CodeProject appeared to be all about the project, while CodeGuru was more about teaching or the learning process. I always felt that where CG and CP supplied a complementary relationship. I actually prefer the interface to CG a bit, as I find the websites menu driven interface a little more friendly. I guess maybe there is a gap in quality? Or perhaps CG has fallen behind in some regard? I never felt that way.
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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    1. Make the article edit-box for project a bit wider... please, thank you. It's really hard typing into a small box
    That's about it.

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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conrad Braam View Post
    1. Make the article edit-box for project a bit wider... please, thank you. It's really hard typing into a small box
    That's about it.
    You can say it -- our article edit box sucks

    It has been on my 'fix it' list since the first day it was released. One of the biggest fixes I've asked our developers to incorporate is to "make the article submission process user friendly." Our developers are.... developers ( ) just like you guys. I've asked them to create something they'd be willing to use .

    That is a core "fix it" part of the update we are working to complete.

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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    lol, can I say sux too?

    I always thought those little boxes were a bit ridiculous, but you've put it more succinctly.

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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    Our developers are.... developers ( ) just like you guys
    Web developers are supposed to be excellent UI designers and testers!
    My latest article: Explicating the new C++ standard (C++0x)

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    Re: Why CP articles are better than CG!

    Thanks again Brad for trawling the forums to give all and sundry help here.

    I stick to CodeGuru because it was the easiest place to post 5 years ago. At the time I did not have a good internet line, and used to have endless login and page-loading problems, which CG did not suffer from. CodeProject have definitely got more 'flash', but have also moved into other non-relevant areas, and tried to compete head-on with a half-dozen other niche developer sites, quite successfully I might add.
    Solid is good.

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