i wish i could move to anything else than m$, however all recent development seems to point at m$ products, most examples on internet use m$ mfc as well, therefore i think i will stick to VS 6, forgetting latest VS releases, as m$ is openly laughing at developers faces, releasing expensive, deliberately faulty products. it would be great to see them collapsing, and a quality software company taking over, which is possible if people stopped paying for their products. well, i know it is utopia, however i am gonna be the one to do so, whether my vision comes true or false.