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Q: Is there life after death?
If Yes : What would it be like? What would we be like? Where would we be? How would we be?
If No: What would it be like to not exist? Will it be like experiencing an endless darkness? Will it be like a never ending dream?
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Q: Does god exist? If so, can he make rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?
A: I don't believe in life after death. In my opinion, if we are death, everything is finished, you will not experience anything anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by leojose
I think if there is, then it would be outside the scope of this universe. Therefore it would not be part of space/time and would not have a concept of a beggining, end, location, position, or shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by leojose
Q. If Adam And Eve were the first humans on the earth...and they had children...who did their children have children with.
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A: With each other.
No god does not exist. I've read through a lot of religous topics, but I simply cannot agree that he does. It seems when debating with religous poeple there is always a point were logic stops and nobody wants to listen and they continually reply "faith".Quote:
cilu Q: Does god exist? If so, can he make rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?
One of the most interesting things I've read was philosophical debate whether god exists or not.
I found it here http://www.atheists.org/
But I cannot find it anymore.
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I would think atheists would have a strong understanding of faith. Atheists like any other religious group, believe in something that cannot be proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin_33
Except that atheists are not a religious group. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris256
I suppose it depends on your interpretation of the definition of "religious". These definitions are usually pretty loosely defined. Here's a try:
Religious:
Webster says it can be an "ultimate reality" instead of a deity. The "faithful devotion" part is pretty subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriam Webster Online
A#2:
I think that there is a life after death.
What would it be like? I have no idea.
Where would we be? Not in this universe I guess...
How would we be? I don't know.
Yes, faith is necessary, and I am conscient of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin_33
IMHO, God existence can't be proved philosophycally or scientifically. So, Human has the freedom to believe or not in God.
I know that many philosophs tried to prove the existence or non-existence of God.
IMHO, it is vain.
However God existence could be potentially proven, if, a day, God came on Earth, and said to everybody : "Hey, I am God, and I exist", and moved mountains and shew is power...
I doubt that such thing occur before the Last Judgment.
But, if God doesn't exist, his non-existence will never ever be proven, because he can't come and say "Hey, I am God, and I don't exist".
So, believing in God non-existence requires faith.
Agnostism doesn't require faith. An agnostic doesn't know if God exists or not...
IMHO having Faith in something is good. And, Human could not undertake anything without at least Faith in himself. ;)
Faith move mountains... It is true. With faith in himself or in the society and other Humans, and bulldozers, a mountain can be moved... :D
And, the creation of bulldozers required the faith of a lot of people...
Without any Faith, we would probably be in a melancolic state... and die.
Note : An agnostic have no Faith in the question of God's existence, but can (and has, except if he is melancolic) faith in other things.
The human mind has many defensive mechanisms that make him keep faith in himself (and other things)... these defenses can be broken, and psychiatric disease occur..
The following part is very personnal and contains probably many wrong points. It is my mystical experience ;)
About God, I think that many people are mystical.. they feel the presence of God.
But, their feeling is subjective and they create representations of God that differ, and sometimes interpret much their perception.
Particulary, they feel that they hear the voice of God saying how the world is, and what to do (morale).
This feeling is really very vague and subjective (one can feel one unique God, other may feel several Gods).
But, interpretations often go in details.
It creates religions.
I think that Human has the knowledge of good and evil.
So, I think that this module that says to the heart if something is good or bad should be respected before all.
So, if a religion says to do that, and that my heart says that I should not do it... I don't do it. I only think that this religious guideline has been created on false interpretations of mystical feeling.
For example, my heart says to me that I should respect every religion, and respect all mystical perceptions, as far as possible...
Religions, usually, says to love others and to help them.
But, another thing appears...
Some guys, that seek for power, use the religion, and the faith of the good people in that religion, in order to take control of them, and to conquer lands...
They claim that God guides their action, but in fact, these dictators consciently abuse the people and only seek for power.
IMHO, the religion itself is not faulty.
The religion theorically should prevent such thing, because the religion had created a good social order.
But, in fact, this religion can be used as a tool for doing war.
There is an analogy (biological) with the lymphatic system.
The lymphatic system contains ganglions (I am not sure of the English term) that contain immune defense.
This sytem stops infectious germs, most of the time.
It is very good, but if the infectious germ is strong enough, it can beat locally the immune system, and take control of the ganglion.
Then the lymphatic circulation is used by the infectious agent, in order to propagate... The immune system is now a tool for the infectious agent!
IMHO Religion is like that:
Basically, it prevents bad people from taking power, but once someone has taken power, he can use the religion in order to increase significantly his power.
I wait for replies. ;)
I know that what I said is very subjective, and is probably a belief.
A3:
I have a question:
Does wind exist?
No. Reasons?:
1. You can't see the wind
2. The leaves blown?? Well they were deciding to move about all at the same time.
3. You heard it? Well, I didn't hear anything!
4. You felt it? That was a coincidence! I've felt that before too, in my house.
(JUST JOKING :D)
That's kinda, why I think God's real. No matter what anyone else wants to say. :)
About that rock thing, that isn't logical. (ie: could God make 2=3? God isn't like that. ;))
A2:
Well, we definitely have something some people call a 'spirit', or 'soul'. Why do I believe this? Well if a person dies because their heart stopped working, and they gave them a new one, and started it, the person wouldn't come back to life. ;)
So, back to the answer: Yes I believe there will be life after death, because you can't make something from nothing, nor nothing from something.(proven)
Our spirit/soul will have to go somewhere! :)
A13:
Wind and air are related:
We got the advice of a ... specialist...
From Jean-Claude Van Damme
For more funny citations:Quote:
"I am fascinated by air. If you took air away, all the birds would fall to the floor... And the planes too... At the same time, you can't touch air, it exists and it doesn't... It feeds man without hunger... It's magic... Air is beautiful and at the same time you can't see it, it's soft and you can't touch it... Air is a bit like my brain..."
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