Ratio of VC/C & VB

Now, we know where we are -- Thanks to Sonu on this thread.
http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showth...hreadid=204164
What about who & what we are?;)

Anyway, the poll is to probe the ratio of VC/C programmers and VB programmers here in codeguru -- at least those active ones? If we base on the number of posts or number of threads, it seems that VC/Cs outnumbers VBs 4 to 1. But since VC/C is tougher to learn than VB, it could just be the reason why there are more threads and posts in VC/C compared with VB -- not an indicator on the real ratio of active members.

Let's probe it friends. Please vote. Thanks.

PS: I voted for "VB Only"

VC forever !!!!

I am a VC developer and i think i will stay it forever, althoug i have also developed in some internet languages included Java. If neccesary i will also do VB, but deep in my heart i am a VC developer.

-Sonu

;)

Cesare Imperiali

I'm in favour of Sonu... VC forever :D

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Sonu:
VC forever !!!!

CImperiali:
VB Forever!

Irona20:
I'm in favour of Sonu... VC forever

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Thanks. May I ask why?

Well, for me, I am not really a programmer by profession. Primarily, I'm a Sales & Marketing Services and Research personnel, and secondarily, a musician (bass guitar player) occasionally on weekends. I only write programs to solve problems related to my functions in Marketing.

More than 10 years ago, I was forced to learn programming because everytime I have projects then, I often have to explain a lot of things to our SA/Programmers who would often dazzle me with arcane tech words I could hardly understand. And if they can't deliver for me good/friendly programs, would automatically criticize me for "not having able to explain well" my needs.

My first programming languages were MS QBasic, Borland's Turbo Pascal and Turbo C. I also tried Assembly but immediately abandoned it when after a month of reading books, all I was able to achieve was to print the word "Hello World" in the middle of the screen.

Later on, I concentrated only on MS-BASICs (QB, VB1, VB4, VB6, & VBA) because this is the only thing that makes me enjoy solving the real problem and my music without dwelling so deep on technicalities often associated with Cs.


So what make you a VC/C or VB fanatics?

...That is:
Vb seems easy to me, there is plenty of info everywhere (sites, books) and it took me only ten minutes when I started to print my
"hello word" in the middle of a form. It took 10 minutes also with C++, but with Vb I was also able to:
change colors of text while running, make text compose on the form word by word nad play a wav file in the meantime. Never tried to do the same with C++...
Definitely for me: Vb (and in the earlier times Basic) was easy to learn, and gave satisfactions since early times, while Java, C, C++ gave me really headache.
I also learned Rpg/400 (for a different kind of machine: As/400), but the green characters I could use (no pixels or mouse there, only charachters and text info, like worrking in Dos mode only) made me really sad, while the colored world of VB made and makes me happy.
;)

I was searching for a language with which i can do nearly anything what i want in windows. That was the main reason why i started with VC++ and not with VB. Since i learned also C and C++, i thought i would be good to stay with VC++. Till today i am doing VC++ and have never touched VB, i hope, that i will never have to learn VB. If yes i will do it !!! Not that i am en enemy of VB.

-Sonu

Well... in my first work.. my boss said to me: you have to learn VC++, and... I had to learn VC++ :D :D
Before that, I had programmed in VB at home for hobbie, but now I enjoy more with VC++ than VB, and right now I am learning about Java (for hobbie too). I love to learn about programming :)

You may want to read this.

My favorite is C++, meaning that I like it best, but not that I would favor it irrationally in a business decision.

I know both, but I know more VB and VB is more easy to learn "on-the-fly" than VC++. It's a pain to use CDaoDatabase (or something like that ) in Visual C++ if you don't have a book or a teacher.

I have started programming in QuickBasic 4.5, and I have "love" that. I quickly start to program game and little application in QB45, but that was a long time ago, when I started studying Programming, we learn ALL, VC++, C++, java, VB, Delphi, Cobol !, ..., but VB is so easy to learn and you can quickly make application with it. I've done complex program in Visual C++, I like the class system, but one thing I dislike is that you don't feel creating your program yourself, for example, create a MDI in Visual C++, before writing one line of code, you'll have a bunch of files full of code you don't really know what they do. Erase one line or add a character somewhere that you will never SEE AGAIN, and it is out. It happens sometimes, a whole project that don't want to compile again, and you don't know why... And it's a pain to link View and Doc and all of these things in a MDI. If you don't know how, or if you don't remember, you'll have to find it somewhere because it is all except intuitive ;) Why make it so complicated!

My two cents

JeffB

I think VB is a limited language. You could never write a Networking application like "Ping" in VB.

VB's advantage is that is very easy to learn for everybody.
VC's advantage is that, you can nearly do everything what you want.

VB's disadvantage is, that it is very limited.
VC's disadvantage is, that it is very complicated, but once you have mastered and understand how it works, you will never want to develope in any other language.

-Sonu

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Originally posted by Sonu Kapoor
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VC's disadvantage is, that it is very complicated, but once you have mastered and understand how it works, you will never want to develope in any other language.

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I somehow disagree with that. IMHO, the correct formulation is "...but once you have mastered and understand how it works, you will be happyest if the circumstances allow you to program in C++ and don't force you to use any other language".

Ok-ok, I've been nit-picking here ;)

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Originally posted by Gabriel Fleseriu


I somehow disagree with that. IMHO, the correct formulation is "...but once you have mastered and understand how it works, you will be happyest if the circumstances allow you to program in C++ and don't force you to use any other language".

Ok-ok, I've been nit-picking here ;)

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how true !!!

-Sonu

I have seen several fora comparing VC with other languages (and usually with VB). If this question is put forward, the immediate impulse of VC users is the power of VC/C. The immediately response of VB users on the other hand is how they solved the problems in minutes. These 2 are typical replies (just an unverified observation):

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Sonu:
I was searching for a language with which i can do nearly anything what i want in windows.

Cimperiali:
…Vb (and in the earlier times Basic) was easy to learn, and gave satisfactions since early times …

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Do you agree that (another observation) …

- VC users tend to focus more on the power it wields and believed that solutions are more obtainable because of such power?

- VB users believed that solutions are more obtainable if one is more focused on the material problem at hand?

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Gabriel:
"...but once you have mastered and understand how it works, you will be happyest if the circumstances allow you to program in C++ and don't force you to use any other language".

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This seemed to articulate very well. The easiest language to handle I think is not VB or VC. It's the one you have mastered. The only problem here is that VC is more difficult to master.

BTW, thanks for the link Gabriel. It's a worthy info.




Jeff, sometimes, I would like to think that QB45 is more powerful than VB. The former can execute assembly instructions, directly access memory and many things, from within the language itself. Many of these features are stripped out of VB except that latter is saved by call to API.




My initial reading (September 10, 2002 - 8PM [GMT+8])

31.25% - VC/C Only
18.75% - VB Only
06.25% - Both but more on VC/C
43.75% - Both but more on VB
00.00% - Almost equally VB & VC/C

VCers outnumbered Vbers. But, those who have savored both languages tend to use VB more.

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Originally posted by aio

Jeff, sometimes, I would like to think that QB45 is more powerful than VB. The former can execute assembly instructions, directly access memory and many things, from within the language itself. Many of these features are stripped out of VB except that latter is saved by call to API.

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So much funny things to do with QB :D
So much time passed doing funny things with QB :D
So limited.... :D

Just want to add to the discussion, Visual C++ use C langage and a strong classes utilisation. That is important to know if you want to be a good developer, you'll have an easy way to learn Delphi or Skrit :) if you know VC than if you only know VB, and more, C++ can be used on Linux / Unix.

But if you intend to develop on Window, Visual Basic is a most, you can't do a macro using C langage in Excel... ;)

I agree with the aio opinion,
VB -> Easy and limited
VC -> Harder but "stronger"
COBOL -> Hard and limited :D

Once you have mastered one of them, it is no more Hard!! :D

JeffB

Hey, I still seem to be the only person using most of the time VC and only occaisonnally VB ;)

My programming experience is somewhat strange... ;)

I started with BBC Basic on a BBC computer.
Moved onto BBC Basic for PC (which is really not what anyone would want to do :p)
Moved to Turbo Pascal (I think they were at 5.0 when I started and I used it till long after TP7 came out)
Programmed in TP6 / assembler for some small games (DOS games with memory extender etc. in the times before Win 3.0 :p)
Got into OO when TP7 came out, although it was already present in the language since 5.5.
Then I went to university... Miranda (functional language), Turing (like Pascal), Java and C. (strange, I didn't learn any C++ :p)
I actually got really into Java and wrote a 80K lines project in it during a group project.
Then some work on a NEC supercomputer in C ;) That made me really hate C, because I could not handle all those memory leaks :p
Then I started "real" work and my first project was ATL :p Well, I took a crash course in C++, ATL and Windows programming (involving mostly me and my boss shouting at each other ;) ).
Since my project was an ATL control, I had to write some simple driver programs that used it, so the first choice was VB.

If you've seen what COM code looks like in VC and and VB, you whish you could use VB for everything :p But then again, calling the Windows API from VB is an unnecessary pain... And custom data structures are usually much more efficient in VC / STL than corresponding things in VB.

Go VB, go VB, go VB! :)

Well I sometimes have to go back to VC++ in order accomodate the more complication APIs. Not that I cannot do it in VB but it is easier to be done in VC++.

-Cool Bizs

Well, hello to you all programmers who have entered the Hall of Fame! Why! Most of you here have programmed in at least 1 - 2 other languages other than Visual Basic, Visual C++ and Java!
Pascal, eh? :p

Well, unlike you guys, I started programming from the ground up :

I started by learning the 1s and 0s and how motherboard and the computer and electricity circuits can understand these currents, and after that, I moved on to machine language, and after that, to assembly......

No no.....ha ha...unfortunately, I started programming a bit too late in life.(at the age of 15.5 years old)
Intiallly, I started with Visual Basic, but because I've absolute 0% of programming experience before, I got totally scared and wet my pants at the sight of 3 - 6 lines of short simple code!!!!!!
These lines were :(I still remember them)

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cmdOk.Enabled = True
cmdRadio.Enabled = True
cmdMove.Enabled = True
cmdCancel.Enabled = True
cmdClick.Enabled = True 


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Can u believe that???!!!

After that, I gave up Visual Basic, and went straight on to learn C++. The reason why I started with Visual Basic was that I had actually thought that Visual C++ is related to VB, and u need to know VB before you can do anything ib C++!!!!!!! :eek:

But I discovered ths wasn't true one night, so I went on to C++. And it was **** at this time, man! I spend a great deal of afternoons, days and nights studying this from books(no one to teach me) and at Chapter 8, I gave up and went to borrow some new books, and started at the simple, beginning chapters.......until one day......the Lord took pity on me, and gave me such a force that propel me to the level of a novice programmer.(I was ******* Programmer before that)
Kinda sad, but........

Anyway, here I am now.....at least I'm able to write sensible programs in C++ and MFC. :)
Plus, now that I have a somewhat acceptable grip on C++, most of the VB code I've seen are simple to me. :) Much more simpler!

And though I don't really like Java.......aye~! I can't scold or curse this language in public, cos' if I need to ask Java questions here, the Java programmers will not help me if they know I curse the language. :):D

Visual Basic programs are indeed fast to create : that's the strongest point in VB. All I need to worry about is the logic and flow of my program, not the technical details like windowing and such. In Visual C++, windowing and such, in additon to the flow and memory management stuff, makes me lose all my hair and such. How sad!
Visual Basic is better for creating programs like database applications, business suites and such. After all, business programs need to be upgraded to the next version very fast to meet competition in the market, and VB can cater to that.
Whereas the VB programmers are already adding the bells and whistles to the program, the poor Visual C++ programmers are still looking blankly at their Debug windows in the IDE enviroment, and worrying whether they have the time to spend with their kids and wives(or wife) and family and friends and such.
Aye~!
Besides, VB is also better for computer hobbyists : those guys who're somewhere between the level of novices and expert programmers. They can create fun programs for their personal use etc.
Plus : because VB doesn't heave all the flexibility on the programmer, VB programs tend to have less bugs than programs based in C/C++.

But when talking about programs like Norton Systemworks and system ultilites, programs like Bryce 5 and Adobe Photoshop, game programs like Quake, Diablo or WarCraft III and such......there's no way you can create them in VB. Maybe you can.......but how natural is that? How efficient can the resulting programs be? Visual C++ is the only tool which can achieve this, where low-level details, optimization, speed and performance are concerned.

The man is the man : and like Xeon the Man of all Men said before : Real man code in C++. :)

But that doesn't mean to say Visual Basic ain't good.
It ROCKS too. :):D

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Visual Basic programs are indeed fast to create : that's the strongest point in VB. ...

... Visual Basic is better for creating programs like database applications, business suites and such. After all, business programs need to be upgraded to the next version very fast to meet competition in the market, and VB can cater to that.
Whereas the VB programmers are already adding the bells and whistles to the program, the poor Visual C++ programmers are still looking blankly at their Debug windows in the IDE enviroment, and worrying whether they have the time to spend with their kids and wives(or wife) and family and friends and such.
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Agree. But somethimes, this is also VB's weakest point. Some VB programmers tend to be less careful in planning. Because they can easily change course, they can afford to care less.

VB and C++ don't solve the same problems. VB is great for a quick GUI for purposes of rapid prototyping, or for a frontend for a larger application NOT written in VB that exposes itself through COM interfaces.

The two biggest strengths of C++ is Object Oriented programming and generic programming. For the first time, in .Net, VB is object oriented. It never was before. I doubt if it will ever support generic programming. I can't imagine trying to write and maintain a large system in VB.

Jeff

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I can't imagine trying to write and maintain a large system in VB.

Jeff

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VC may outrun VB but I'm sure VB can still be used in large system. I think that's one purpose why VB has also been given so much power.

Sonu, How you become Moderator?

Hi All,
I just seen this voting and got impressed how you guys are doing. Great Job!!!

Well I am too working in VC++ since 5 1/2 years and getting more interested day by day.

Obviously VC++ is more powerful than VB as VB was developed in C++\VC++. But for some applications VB is pretty good for desiging GUI.

I know little about VB/Java. But I think now we all VC++ guys may need to update for VC#. Am I right?

As market is not good, and I am badly looking for good break.


I am very much pleasure to share this with you all.

Oh! I forgot to tell one thing. I am originally from INDIA. But now I am in USA.

Narayana Murty.

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Sonu, How you become Moderator?

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I talked with the sitemanager !!

-Sonu

My! U talk to the Site Manager? Brad Jones! :)

Hmm.......maybe if I spam his mail box with zillions of e-mails asking him to make me Assistant Site Manager, he might agree. :D:D:D:D:D

I use both languages and agree with most of the characterizations in this thread. I do have to comment, however on one of the links:

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You may want to read this.

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(Part of C++ FAQ Lite, Copyright © 1991-2002, Marshall Cline, [email protected])

while it is interesting to read it is chalk full of inaccurate statements. Apparently the author was under the impression that if he didn't know how to do something in VB it couldn't be done. This is especially true as you get close to the bottom of the page. Some may call this a cheap shot since I don't offer any corrections. So be it, I don't have the time to correct so may mistatements.

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Some VB programmers tend to be less careful in planning. Because they can easily change course, they can afford to care less.

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This post hit on one of the most interesting phenomona in programming that I have seen. As time has passed, programming has been dumbed down to the point almost anyone can do it. It used to be MUCH HARDER without such things as IDEs, source debuggers & etc. What I found interesting is the reason for this.

Over th course of my carreer (just over 30 years now), I've watched programmers interact with business managers. As demand for computers (and programming) increased, the pool of capable people became overwhelmed. This led to considerable "boss abuse" by programmers. In the past it was very common for programmers to keep their own hours, dress to their own preference, determine what programs to write and be generally unreliable. I once knw a programmer who refused to work for any company that didn't let mim smoke pot in his office! And, he got away with it for years!!

This created an intolerable situation for business executives. The result was a large push for simpler languages and even (ugh) CASE tools. The result is a large number of people writing programs that have no idea what they are doing. They have no concept of what a computer does or how it goes about it.

Many programmers (especially VB and VBA) think that the there is some fairly direct relationship between the number of commands in a program and the amount of work the computer will do to accomplish them!

In any case, the result has been a lot of really poor software. It is the main reason, IMHO that computers run at gigabyte speeds with huge memories and yet perform no better than earlier versions with 1% the power.

Anyway enough of may rambling rant. Thanks for reading it.

Wow! A programmer with over 30 years of programming experience! U must definetly be a grand old daddy who've seen lots of programming stuff happening in the real world since Day 1, right? :D

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The result is a large number of people writing programs that have no idea what they are doing. They have no concept of what a computer does or how it goes about it.

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Hmmm......I'm guilty of this.........how sad! Although I use Visual C++, I rely totally on MFC and high level programing platforms libraries, like the Win32 API.
Although some of you may consider the API to be low level, I think those really low-level suff is about understanding how the computer really works, and how the OS manages memory at the lowest level, how variables are really stored in memory and how the OS can actually detect them etc.

But then, I guess I never have to learn all this, though. Aye~! Times have changed.......but I know darn well, though.........that without truly understanding about the lowest-most foundation of any topic or subject, u can never become an expert in it.
Sad but true. :):D:rolleyes:

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Wow! A programmer with over 30 years of programming experience! U must definetly be a grand old daddy who've seen lots of programming stuff happening in the real world since Day 1, right? :D
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Definitely a guru.

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billwilson3:
As demand for computers (and programming) increased, the pool of capable people became overwhelmed. This led to considerable "boss abuse" by programmers. In the past it was very common for programmers to keep their own hours, dress to their own preference, determine what programs to write and be generally unreliable. I once knw a programmer who refused to work for any company that didn't let mim smoke pot in his office! And, he got away with it for years!!

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This is almost similar to what had happened to me more than ten years ago (refer to my 2nd post in this thred). The only difference is, I was not the Boss.

Thanks God, VB (Q/Turbo Basics at that time) came into being. Anyone can create a programs without necessarily understanding the heart, the kidneys, the intestines of the computer.

Don't care what is behind the scene. Don't care if VB do it in 5 minutes when VC can do the same job in 4 minutes only. For us (or maybe most of) VB programmers, the most important thing -- solve the problem the easiest way.

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Sonu:
I talked with the sitemanager !!

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Sonu,

Any pressure added to being a Moderator?

LISP ALL THE WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

Just kidding. :D Anyways, there is a simple answer to this question of whether VC++ or VB is the choicer language. You see, in general, most people believe that the VB language is much simpler than VC++ and is hence made for newbies. Thus, to appear intelligent and cool, VC++ is the better path. :cool:

Fierytycoon

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Thus, to appear intelligent and cool, VC++ is the better path.

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Totally true, Fiery pal!
Great minds think alike! :):D
Wow! ;)

One of the reasons why I chose Visual C++ was cos' I wanna be a real man in front of those young li'l gurls. :):D

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Sonu,

Any pressure added to being a Moderator?

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Yeah, of course. As a moderator you have to see the threads from an another view, than a user. You have take care of all things, also reply users and check the threads....and much more.

-Sonu

In my experience, restricting yourself to one language is just stupid. Atleast if you want work, and want a broad scope of knowledge and know-how.

VC++ allows for sleek, fast applications of any scale without any pesky OCX files, and whatnot. One can still use DLLs. Happy.

VB allows for smaller applications, with OCX files unfortunately, but it's very fast, and does the job. I don't know anyone with a computer that could tell the difference in speed between a small VC++ app, and a small VB app.

VBScript, a derivative of VB, is used a **** of a lot in ASP, hence that is a good language to know if you want anything to do with the hyped up MS Web Services. Also XML, and VB. NET.

Java I haven't even touched yet, but I guess the same could be said there. Works for all types of apps, and on the 'net, if you bother learning the script version.

So. In conclusion: I wouldn't downgrade any language, at the benefit of another. They're all useable for different things, and all have their pros and cons. So why bicker? "Mazda!" "No, Ford!" Yeah. Whatever. :)

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Yeah, of course. As a moderator you have to see the threads from an another view, than a user. You have take care of all things, also reply users and check the threads....and much more.

-Sonu

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Do you get paid for this or it is a hobby and do you also do other things like maintain the database and develop the site :cool:

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Do you get paid for this or it is a hobby and do you also do other things like maintain the database and develop the site

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The money is not important for me. Its a passion and a hobby. Sometimes i develope sites, like the Visual C++ FAQ, but thats me and Gabriel.

Sonu

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OK I will PM you my Swiss Bank Account :D

Wow! So, you actually get money from being a moderator????!!! Cool! Think of the stuff you can buy for your female friends with that money......oohhh......they'll go crazy for ye', really!!!!!!!! :):D

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The money is not important for me. Its a passion and a hobby. Sometimes i develope sites, like the Visual C++ FAQ, but thats me and Gabriel.

Sonu

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Not even a token? Let's say just for the portion of electricity bills and/or internet connection?

I didnt said that i get any money !!! But enough for now about that topic. Dont mind guys, but i dont like to talk about that topic.

-Sonu

sure man. sorry.

Sonu my good pal.......what u really need is a cup of hot chocolate and chicken chop with french fries, bread, beans and sauce, complete with soup. Don't be too hard on yourself, cos' u know u're da' man. :):D:);)

I also think that these languages were more different years ago than now, VB support API and can do most of the things VC can, maybe one day we'll have only one langage!! :eek:

Well anyway, I wanted to add something I found in MSDN (like everytime I was searching something completely different), it is an artical that talk about p-code, and the article writer (Miller Freeman) have created a small primer number program and shows the results (he also show the code for both VB5 version and C version) :

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[...]the results on an 90MHz Pentium computer when computing prime numbers between 1 and 50,000[...]

Code Type Elapsed time Percentage of (in seconds) p-code speed

Within the Visual Basic environment 134.63 79%

Compiled p-code 106.72 100%

Compiled native code 40.15 265%

C program 35.12 305%

This article is reproduced from Microsoft Systems Journal. Copyright © 1997 by Miller Freeman, Inc.

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As you see, C program RULES in that case, I can't find the article on microsoft WebSite, but it said brief quotations can be used ;)

JeffB

Maybe "rules" is putting it a little strongly. With so small a difference, maybe it just advises. lol

In any case, this shows that there is little performance value (at least in CPU bound apps) to C++ over VB.

Can we not program in C without the use of pointers? Isn't this pointer is just a tool to speed up execution but something you can do without if you can be contented with a slower spped?

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Maybe "rules" is putting it a little strongly. With so small a difference, maybe it just advises. lol

In any case, this shows that there is little performance value (at least in CPU bound apps) to C++ over VB.

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Oh yeah, I may have badly expressed, I mean that there is definitively a performance lost by using VB ( well it was VB5 ), but since it was just only calculations and that the C code was not using any pointer, it's still interesting to know, if you have a strong calculation program to do, that C might be a better choice. It's just a comment, and I know that with the computers of today, there is few program that require extremely optimized algorithm, as it was the case before. :)

JeffB

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Can we not program in C without the use of pointers? Isn't this pointer is just a tool to speed up execution but something you can do without if you can be contented with a slower spped?

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As a so-called C++ programmer myself, I really am totally ashamed that I don't even what pointers are really for, even though I've been coding them for ages.
Unlike what AIO says, I don't think pointers have anything much to do with speed execution or something. ;)

If u C++ folks don't mind, maybe you can breifly tell me what pointers are for and their main usage?

This is 1001% embarrasing, u know. And no, please don't laugh. :):D

And AIO! Whether in C or C++, u MUST deal with pointers, because all the classes and functions in those C/C++ libraries makes use of pointers, and lots of them requires you to pass in pointer variables as function parameters etc. That's why. :):D
Even if you don't use those libraries, at some point in life, you still must use pointers in your code.

Xeon, I am inspired by your quote. Why, all my life I have been laughed at, beaten, and then shunned, having this process repeated over and over again wherever I go. But now, you have just refueled the box of candles that I had run out of. I can do it. I believe in myself! ...All right, I am just joking :D

Anyways, for my question: why use C when you can use C++? I don't understand. Isn't C++ just an extension of C? Then C++ must have all of the properties C has, plus more. If so, then how does C "rule"? Please excuse my ignorance.

Fierytycoon

Everyone knows C++ has performance advantage over VB (at least up to VB6). The use of pointers is one of the best feature of C++ (note: C does not support pointer right?). It is fast and really saves memory. Also, being able to be in control of every single line that you typed in is also a big plus for C/C++. And since Windows is based on C++ (and Assembly) gives C++ another advantage especially with data types and calling conventions.

But that does not mean VB is lame. VB does have quite a few advantages that really makes a life as a programmer seems more enjoyable. RAD is the biggest selling point of VB and you gotta admit it, it is true. Of course, in making it easy to use, it has to hide few lines of code (well .. not a few but a lot). Sometimes, we do need to use those hidden lines but .... :(

I do miss my time being with VC++ and once in a while I do go back to it when it comes to work with those "complicated" APIs that require something that VB can't handle. But with the light of VB.NET, I think I'll use C++ even less :)

-Cool Bizs

:D Heh heh heh! Well, Fiery pal.......some programmers still use C cos' of traditional reasons. They think it's the only language created by God Himself. That's why!

On the other hand, some programmers, including those electrical engineers(those hardware developers), have to code their stuff in C. From what I know, those 82501 micro-controllers(if I remember correctly) requires the use of C. C++ isn't suitable.
That's why! :)

And no.......VB isn't lame. It's just that it's used for general purposes. But on the other hand, I hope VB.net isn't gonna surpass Visual C++ or anything. If it does, my C++ pals.......let's all carry rocket launchers and visit Bill Ga........u get the idea. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad: :D

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Please, tell me you're joking. Right?

I can't believe how many posters appear to have no idea of what they are doing. Pointers are one of the most fundamental concepts of C/C++ programming.

I'd rate the C/C++ competance of anyone who doesn't understand their use at somewhere between low and non-existent. Certainly below the minimum level for employment.

You should have all of the above.

I have experience with VC++/C and VB.

I orgionally joined this fourm for the C++, but the Java section has become more usefull to me. My Language of choice has changed.

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Anyways, for my question: why use C when you can use C++? I don't understand. Isn't C++ just an extension of C? Then C++ must have all of the properties C has, plus more. If so, then how does C "rule"? Please excuse my ignorance.

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Some OS's don't have C++. Mind you the popular ones do, but I have a few clients that use an OS called THEOS (www.theos-software.com). There's a Basic and a C. Nothing else. I create Reservation Systems for Dumb Terminals on this OS. Although the Theos Server does support ASP, HTML, and CGI.

Most of the stuff you do is from the prompt, but they are comming out with a Desktop.