I use to post here :D I stopped after awhile, mostly because of the ads and the rating system (was the only moderator to say f no to that).
I look around and I don't see people here. What is up with that? Do you think it has gone downhill?
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I use to post here :D I stopped after awhile, mostly because of the ads and the rating system (was the only moderator to say f no to that).
I look around and I don't see people here. What is up with that? Do you think it has gone downhill?
Are you speaking about the chit chat forum? Who do you don't see? :)
Chit chat is idle a bit but I think other forums are fine... people are a little busy with work and festivals these days...
I see my Gurus here, happy and posting .. :)
Of couse not. Are you simple?Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
A lot of peopleQuote:
Who do you don't see? :)
Wow. Thanks for telling me that. I mean, i'd never know that!!!Quote:
Chit chat is idle a bit but I think other forums are fine... people are a little busy with work and festivals these days...
What you see is what you get.Quote:
I see my Gurus here, happy and posting .. :)
Don't take it otherwise, but you are never surrounded by the same people all the time.. :)
... also, sarcasm is not the only way to have conversations.. :) I mean, I shouldn't be telling you that.
People come people go. But here and now a good portion stay. That is not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
No, you shouldn't be telling me about sarcasm :DQuote:
... also, sarcasm is not the only way to have conversations.. :) I mean, I shouldn't be telling you that.
You may be right.. since you have been here longer.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
Okay... :D I won't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
But yeah, the ads do create a little nuisance.. but where do they don't.. no-ad DVDs :D I like 'em.. I hate movies with ad banners logo or watching on TV with 5 min breaks every 2 mins..
I can deal with those :D But it was the spamming of the tech forums that got just a bit tiresome.Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
Ok.. now its confusing me.. :D So, you are saying you can deal with the ads but you cannot deal with the reputation system here that is causing spamming?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
I don't see the ads :D Get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
You mean ONLY the ones that cause problems, I'm sure. ;)
Ahh, but you see, you can't get rid of the ones that cause problems. Therein lies the problem :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dglienna
Since I joined CG on Dec 2004, some things has changed here at the forums. Hovewer, I would not say that they went in wrong direction. Sure, some things may be seen as 'disadvantage':
- ads, which I have never had any problem with. Using Opera on both WinXP laptop and Win98 box, my computers do not crash, hang nor slow down. I never blocked them, I even hardly ever use 'Expand Forum' link, with 1024x768 screen size. But shall there come any popup, and I get really angry :mad:
- dead chit - chat forum. Maybe I was not very active at chit-chat, but I miss reading some great discussions and simply funny posts by Mick, Deniz, McRat and Yulia.
- 'lower quality' of tech posts. I am active almost only at C++ forums, and I think that, at least at this area, this is caused by more and more newbies asking basic questions. I do not think that it is a bad thing, but, indeed, they should read books first, ask later. People I consider Gurus stopped answering basic answers over and over again, so we cannot see them posting so often. But still they are ready to help when someone comes with more complicated problem.
- spamming? WHat SpamMing? :P
My conclusion is: things are not going worse. You come back, and maybe they will even get fun.
Cheers,
Me
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
Take a stroll over to the Feedback Forum, where this has been discussed.
I know at least 4 mods (including one you interacted with) who disapprove of the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
Unless of course, your point was connected solely to the usage of the f-word for it?
That may be correct.
General Note: There are at least an equal number of Mods who want it to stay in it's current state, and probably, a number of users too.
My opinion is this is a disgraceful question from someone who clearly has an axe to grind, and who (as a self-admitted non-contributor) is really not in a position to criticize.
Mike
Mabye we should burn some books while we are at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeAThon
My 2cents, or less...I think the rating system is a little misleading...I tend to help some of the NB's getting them headed in the right direction with either code or functions to look into to fix their problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
While some of them stay around most leave after project is done/fixed and most don't know how to rate a post. Just take a look at the member list and see how many have very very low number of posts.
I have also noticed that some of the not so new members are rating post even if they don't post to the thread. If people read post that were interesting and rated the post they agree with or think the post has merit, then rate it even you are not involved in the post.
For those whom have done this to my post..I say thanks. Sometimes a pat on the back is better than $$$, isn't that why some of you are here ???
This is a discussion forum where we exchange ideas and logic. Sometimes this leads to a difference of opinion of the same, but a difference of opinion/logic doesn't make one person right and the other wrong. If this was wrong we would all drive Benz's, dress alike and so on....
Getting off of soapbox now...next speaker..
Something wrong with the ads? They don't read your posts...(?). And you got something agains the rating system as well? What's wrong with it? (And, no, please don't say that we 'mods' don't like it.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
That's just a strange question. Or, a strange place to ask that question. But it you're right then the anwer is proabably because no one gets help around here, so they choose other sites...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
- petter
With the declining birth rate and member population at CodeGuru, shouldn't the management come up with a Customer Loyalty/Rewards scheme?
Like if you have :
-1000 posts(not spam/ads) or a so-and-so reputation level, you get a US$120 voucher at Club Med.
-if you've 2000 posts etc., you get a recently launched Nokia phone.
-if you've 3000 posts, you get to stay in Hilton Hotel(Paris branch) for 5 days(Paris Hilton not included).
-if you get 4000 posts(me, for once), you get a dream PC(latest processors/software and specs etc.) + xBox 360.
-if you've 5000 posts or so, you get offered a job position at Pixar Animation or Dreamworks/Universal Studios as an Assistant Director to big names like Steven Spielberg, George Lucas and such.
-if you've 6000 posts or so, you get offered a 45% stake in Jupiter Media.
-if you get 7000 posts and so, you get a free island on Bahamas or Hawaii.
-if you get 8000 posts and so, you get a free ticket to Hollywood's female celebrities' bedroom and the court's backing to do whatever you want with them(install spy-cams, actual physical action, whips and leather, whatever)
-if you get 9000 posts, you get offered a chance to become the next US Presidential Candidate with a garuanteed voter base of 50% of the US population
-if you've 10000 posts, you get offered a 50% stake in Microsoft
-if you've 11000 posts, you get free access to all the major bank vaults(places where cash are stored) in the world
-if you've 12000 posts, you get international approval for being able to get away scot-free with any crime you commit in any part of the world(except terrorism)
-if you've 13000 posts, a gigantic church covering the size of half of Spain will be erected in your honour and there will be a garaunteed follower base of 45% of the world population
-if you've 14000 posts, you'll get a 80% commanding stake in the US army, UK army, China army, Canada, Australian, Indian, Russian and German army.
-if you've 15000 posts, people all over the world will build a bridge for you to walk across the heavens into the skies
-if you've 16000 posts, the angels will bow before you and allow you to enter the Garden of Eden
-if you've 17000 posts, the angels will carry you to the Almighty Throne and you can order them around like slaves
-if you've 18000 posts, you can look at The Almighty face to face
-if you've 19000 posts, you can stare and glare at Him and make rude remarks
-if you've 20000 posts, you can start using physical action against everyone in the Heavens, from Him to Her
-if you've 21000 and above, you're God.
-if you've beyond 25000 posts, you're Beyond God.
For me, I just want to reach 8000 posts. :D:D
Good day!
Xeon.
Well, as long as we are engaged in heavy sarcasm, I just realized that you're totally correct, and that it would be best for you to leave before the vortex drags you down the crapper too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
Mike
Burn books.. vortex drags.. I seriously don't understand.. :D
We should be thankful to the community providers by ignoring the distrubance ads cause (and not the ads themselves). :thumb: :D ;)
... Next speaker please...
//Xeon we will wait till 2012 for you to complete 8K posts! :D
You're telling me... Even my avatar has taken on little IBM ads... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deniz
You think the ad's slow things down here...go to developer.com (codeguru's other site)
and try to scroll the page with the IBM(It's Better Manually) ad displayed !!!
You will think you are on a 14,400 Modem...
With a 9:4 vote, I think that kind of speaks for itself...
I worry more about whether Mick has gone to the crapper (recently) than CG. It might improve his outlook on life.
From Exterminator:
At this rate I'm going(no post increase in the past 2 years....maybe 1 or 2), it's gonna take all of Eternity. :rolleyes:Quote:
//Xeon we will wait till 2012 for you to complete 8K posts!
Unless Brad lifts off the "no post count increase in Chit Chat forum" rule, I'm not gonna be able to make it. Darn! :mad:
From Tom:
Squirrelman/king/lord/god/fanboy/fangirl/emperor/overlord/judge/duke/knight/protector/earl, MiCk has always been part of us CodeGuru Royal Crappers. Among them is also Xeon. :thumb:Quote:
I worry more about whether Mick has gone to the crapper (recently) than CG. It might improve his outlook on life.
It'll be abnormal ONLY if MiCk is not a crapper!
Good day,
Xeon.
Sure. Turn on Ratings for CC at the same time ;)
OMG! I didn't earlier but I notice it now.. :D :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deniz
Although not a mod I also shouted against the rep system. The adds are a nuisance but they don't cause that much damage to CG as the rep system does.
The quality of the topics discussed on CG has indeed decreased steadilly over the past few years. There are too manny "FAQ" questions, "Help me with my homework" questions and "I'm a lazy programmer" questions. And instead of being redirected/kicked they get a lot of answers. Which in turn generates more not-interesting questions. Which get answered ...
Just my 0.02$
which of course, is because of the reputation thing. people love seing green, especially light green...the more the better...unfortunatelly :(:(Quote:
Originally Posted by PadexArt
EDIT: and yes, i fully agree that the quality of topics has significantly decreased. i remember great discussions involving Gabriel Fleseriu, Andreas Masur, just to name a few.
May be the quality to you looks low because you have had your own knowledge standards uplifted! ;)
Time to share more to us! :)
//Quality is a relative term.. not relative to time only but relation to individuals
Also, it in a way tells that Windows development is shifting to .Net from VC++/MFC etc... I don't bet my life for this though!
Well, let's not jump to conclusions. Some people have left because of the reputation system, some others have left because of the ads. If it weren't for the fact that I found out how to write Firefox plugins, I would probably have left too. However there are still many nice and interesting people around and some new ones have joined.
I don't think the overall quality has decreased and that there are less interesting discussions. For example the very recent rand() discussion, C++ Aha moments and others show that there are still knowledgeable members who like to share their experience.
For Chit-chat, I have never been an avid follower I have to admit. IMHO the "Happy birthday xxx" threads are just killing any discussion here, since they flood the main page. And since the groupe of people who kept stuff like "The Boring thread" alive have maybe wisened up/are not bored anymore/left CG, this kind of thread doesn't survive either.
I agree...and since the Negative Rep has been done away with I think that might have been a problem...I know it was one person whom thought their way was the only way to program and gave negative feed back to all others...I haven't seen them on here in a very long time so maybe they left. I think this might have been a problem with others also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yves M
Ad's are not a problem for me..I just expand the forum..
Yves, kudos! I just wished some senior member to say that because no one does! Everyone is complaining... I wonder if everyone is complaining am I the only one who thinks differently about it or is it that I am at fault too? May be I am.. but I don't think so!
You listed example 2 of the threads.. and I can pick so many of them...
The thing is since I joined here - I did not even know how the copy constructor or the assignment operator worked - every thread for me here was a superb one since they all gave me hard time understanding.. but now fewer do.. but they do.
Thats the difference and that does not mean the standard has gone down. I am still able to appreciate the clarity of understanding of a lot of members. I understand the things too but the way they put it up is really appreciable.
I think there is still time before I start thinking the same way (bad threads.. yuck.. bad posts ... bad members .. yucks).
//Regarding Birthday threads - I don't mind coming here in GDCC and post a post using the "last post" functionality :D .. wishing someone. And there's this MarcG's Birthday thread that has now lived about an year infected with TWESIS virus - why would we want the boring thread? :D
Hm.. I hope it is not the reputed persons who have left because of the reputation system. And if it is them that has left, I would consider that move extremely silly and childish. If they were here when there was no reputation system, then why would they care if this system was introduced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yves M
The logic, I think, being put is that because of rep system new comers and some others (I don't know if I am in it.. I don't care) have started posting junks... because of that the quality has degraded. And because of those numerous bad quality posts people have started leaving forums... I consider this one as childish and silly too! Why would people rate spammers? If new comers rate new comers - it hardly makes a different of a 1/2/3 etc points.. but if aged people rate them they get huge points.. it is those aged senior members who are more responsible. And if the reputation system is being mis-used, I blame them for this and not the spammers or new comers or whatever...Quote:
Originally Posted by kirants
My question is how can a spammer get 1000/2000/3000 reputation points while reputed members would be having lets say 500 points.. (considering comparable count of posts) - it doesn't make sense until senior members are at fault.
I am getting mad at this blame game :mad:
If a person has to leave.. he will leave no matter what happens here.. if a person thinks of staying he will stay no matter what happens here... There are many other things for a person to do with his life apart from just posting on codeguru.. who knows what those reasons are? But I think that all is being percieved here as just because of ads and rep system. To an extent that might be true but that is a minority. I see those ads flashing above and around the page.. but if I am concerned with the content I will not even notice those ads (unless my browser crashes - in which case I report it to the feedback forum). If you ask with what the ad on the right and top says - I don't know - I don't care - I don't see it. There are lots of ad banners in the streets - do you know that? No one complains - it is making their life messy? I don't notice them...
My another question is why don't people directly confront the bad posts right in where they are in the threads?
No, it's not that. It's the same question(s) over and over again, receiving the same answer(s) over and over again for the sake of a few green dots.Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
Also in the rush for higher rep you'll see multiple identical answers for the same post. While some duplicates are natural ( same post time) the ones posted 30 mins later are not.
The spammers are not the problem. IMHO it is the senior members playing the rep game that cause more damage. If 1 duplicated/already answered question receives an answer from a senior member the OP will be encouraged to do that again. And the senior member will answer it again for the sake of the green dots.Quote:
The logic, I think, being put is that because of rep system new comers and some others (I don't know if I am in it.. I don't care) have started posting junks... because of that the quality has degraded. And because of those numerous bad quality posts people have started leaving forums... I consider this one as childish and silly too!
The spamming is there since the begining, so why CG is crap now ? I have seen a lot of people who came here, posted, answered, left, some of them came back again, but it doesn't mean codeguru has become a crap, instead I see the publicity of codeguru has gone up, plus we have many stable Codegurus here and I consider this as improvement in codeguru that people get answers faster, I have seen questions getting lost back then.
I think it's only a personal matter with few members who did't like the changes on codeguru.
Well, talk to Mick about it, since he left because of the rep system. Personnally I don't think the reputation system is a problem, but I don't think it's helpful either. It doesn't add much value since the green dots don't mean much to me. If a person has a great answer, it's a great answer, no matter how much green there is. Same for bad answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirants
In any case, I don't think that there is a strong correlation between the ads/ratings and people leaving. A few notable people that I remember well that have left before any of these:
- Paul Wendt
- Philip Nicoletti (he comes around once in a while though)
- Sam Hobbs
- galathea
Some have left long after these features:
- Gabriel Fleseriu
- Andreas Masur
So at least for these people (probably something like than 50k posts between them), the forum changes haven't mattered. They have left for reasons unrelated to CG (except probably Sam, but not sure).
What do you mean left? Look at their last activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yves M
i wish it was that, but unfortunatelly is not. take a look around. you'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
Yves means Andreas and Gabriel are not as active as they used to be. Just browsing the forums once in a while is not being active to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeejAvery
Well look at their last post date.
But you know as well as I do that Andreas use to post 50+ a day here...and to quote Andreas "Well..." that is just not happening anymore, as his knowledge is missed here., maybe not by all but those who know him and the depth of his knowledge really miss reading his posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yves M
I have noticed some posters that only seem to post questions, statements and even some repeat post (as they didn't read all the post) in the same thread never offering code samples, snippets and sometimes only saying "your code is not the way to do it." But I think they don't post code as it will be taken apart much like they do to others...
Okay. I see what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yves M
I am more inclined to vote "No". Yet, I see the "Yes" votes lagging behind behind the "No" votes with just 25% of the votes. This is in no way a reflection of the state of CodeGuru but just a vote to help the losing side!!!
I just saw him a second ago !Quote:
Philip Nicoletti (he comes around once in a while though)
I miss galathea and rxbagain. galathea's posts were always
an education. But I see JohnCZ is still cranking!!!
Paul ? Paul ?
I used to whine about the ads whenever I didn't start up
the proxomitron. I don't even notice them right now. Seems
the only strategy advertisers use to make people notice
their ads is to make them more intrusive. Sorry, not
interested in DB2.
I got tired of the silly question titles "Doubt about..."
and "HELP" and the people who ask the questions can't even
explain what help they need and most of the responses to
the question are simply asking for more info ! Makes going
through the forums tedious and "Crappy"
Well, actually, it only became crappy after Mick left. He
put the sunshine in CG!
From Managing Director Marketing Deputy:
Seriously, can you even understand what that old fogey is saying half the time? He talks in rocket-science + hieroglyphics riddles + arcane Machine Language + Who-Knows-What-Language-and-speech all the time! Get a life, MiCk! :eek::eek::eek:Quote:
Well, actually, it only became crappy after Mick left. He
put the sunshine in CG!
See you,
Xeon.
everything has it's ups and downs...what goes up must comes down...yet, it's not impossible it may shoot rocket high once again...yeah, with suitable fuel...
what fuels CG today?....
//the comunity...