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This is my opinion. I was refering to advertising and sales people who visit the site to determine whether or not to advertise.

This is my opinion. I was refering to advertising and sales people who visit the site to determine whether or not to advertise.

The bigger question is legal use by others. If I can't continue to freely use anything posted here for commercial purposes, I'll stop visiting to avoid potential legal hassles.

Again, this seems to be a gross misjudgment of the existing codeguru audience. We're not 'non-techies' or even 'hobbyists'.

I hope the legal issues are just the result of earthweb's boilerplate mumbo jumbo and that will be clarified and refined for this site. That needs to happen pretty quickly to be of much use, though.

Zafir

Can you clarify this.

** So the code bits in this site can't be used for commercial purpose, if so do we need to get the permission from EarthWeb, it seems so in the Terms & Condition notice.
** Why do we need to get permission from EarthWeb, when the author submitts his code to the public domain and if he says it can be used for any purpose.

** BTW the author gives you some permission like "nonexclusive, worldwide license to link to, reproduce, distribute, adapt, perform, display and sublicense the submitted Content", but not to restrict the use of the code which the author submitted.


Zafir i think you can do a reply to this. Please don't keep silence.

Thanks
-prabha

Are you sure about this? Here's the passage in question:

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"SUBMISSIONS

You acknowledge and agree that, by submitting any resource, link, applet, information, content or other materials ("Content") to EarthWeb, you grant to EarthWeb a nonexclusive, worldwide license to link to, reproduce, distribute, adapt, perform, display and sublicense the submitted Content. Further, by submitting Content to EarthWeb, you acknowledge that you have the authority to grant such rights to EarthWeb. PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF ANY COPYRIGHTS OF ANY CONTENT YOU SUBMIT."
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(... yada yada yada)

What am I to make of this? For example, what is to stop the new codeguru from publishing a "best of codeguru" using the best articles and making money off it? And are they making money NOW by drawing viewers to see sponsor's ads while the viewer (attempts to) peruse interesting articles (in the presence of all the new distractions)? Is this CONSISTENT with the intent of those who posted most of the articles? You see, part of the huge uproar here (I think) is because many of those who posted articles on the old godeguru did so NOT so codeguru could make money off their back. Another question then is this: Does developer.com believe it purchased any RIGHT whatsoever to make any money whatsoever off the CONTENT of the old codeguru????

If there was going to be money involved, many of the posters would have either setup licensing arrangements or simply not posted at all. And we users who's butts were sometimes SAVED by something we learned from a posted article... in the future will we have to pay royalties to developer.com or potentially be the target for a lawsuit because what we learned is now imbedded in a commercial app? I don't want an answer like "Well, technically yes, but not in practice..." I mean, we need something legally concrete here---frank speech, not Clintonese. This is all very scary to me!! I hope it is scary to others as well. When things are acknowledged UP FRONT to be for commercial purposes and have some legal ensnarements, developers tend to take a VERY different approach to it.

About time.

So what - there's a crappy wavy line all the pages - I'm sure that it'll probably go as more people complain.

So what - the colours look bad - ditto

So what - Earthweb own the rights... yada yada yada

Sheesh! do you lot of moaners really think that Earthweb are going to track down everyone who views the pages, downloads the code and uses it in there own/work/commercial applications ? I'm sure if you change a variable name here, a class name there, no-ones going to be none the wiser - and if you checkout Zafir's latest posting - you'll see that the 'author' owns the copyright at the end of the day.

And Zafir deserves ever $ he got from the sale of CodeGuru - me thinks some people are mighty jealous ? The fact that he's staying with the site means that he still cares.

Zafir,

I believe that EarthWeb is charging to access their ITLibrary.com site, yes, i once had that experiance, but i didn't paid anything and i came out of the site.

Is such thing going to happen for codeguru.

Look at the previous posting also

Zafir,
When the author gives permission to use it for commericial purpose, how can you restrict it.

The majority of my use of this site has been commercial, and for my work. If there is any question whatsoever of the legality and jurisdiction in regards to using the resources found here, I will be forbidden to use the information by my company. As helpful as this site has been to me in the past, and as much as I respect Zafir for the incredible work he has done here, I cannot take the chance of ensnaring myself and my company in the legalspeak of EarthWeb, and I will be forced to discontinue using this resource unless the terms of use of the sample code, articles, and resources here are clarified to the satisfaction of everyone involved, including EarthWeb's lawyers, whose current silence and apparent lack of interest in this site scares me a great deal.
Good job in the past Zafir, and I am glad that you were able to make a profit from this (you certainly deserve it), but I hope that this move has not made my favorite resource useless to me.

- Heather Holland

PS: The wavy blue thing on the left makes my eyes hurt.

The question is not about who owns the code... that is not questionable in the language. The question was one of reuse - I'm sure a lot of users would like to reuse the code from the Site in commercial applications without having to worry that one day, if they have comercial success, their 'phone rings... and it's a bunch of lawyers.

Rail

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Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://home.earthlink.net/~railro/
[email protected]

This is horrible!!! Why the change in CodeGuru? It was the the best source site on the net. I have never found any developer.com site to be worth a ****. Please go back to the original. It was easy on the eyes, fast, and easy to navigate. Now it just looks and runs like the regular developer.com crap. Take a look at ALL the responses. ALL are negative. Please go back!

After a brief look around...

1. Ghastly look and layout. The wavy margin makes me sea-sick when I scroll.

2. The old site was not fixed width. I could read a WHOLE lot of stuff on my 19" monitor. Now I have to scroll and scroll and scroll... This site DEMANDS pages that use the entire window, period. Everything is way too cramped with this format. Whitespace rules.

3. Search doesn't work

4. Virtually every other ***** and complaint listed by everyone else.


Why not just add developer[sucks].com links to the old site? It's got to be easier, and you wouldn't lose all of your visitors (which you will if things stay as they are). I tried developer[sucks].com several times over the last few months. It was a yawn inducing experience. I only hope that codeguru rubs off on developer[sucks].com and not the other way around.

I have to ask what the others are asking, "is there a CD available of the old site?" I fear that all of the excellent examples will dry up and blow away any day now. I want to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. But, it's not looking good from where I sit.

Maybe it's time for Kirk Stowell to turn codejockey.com into what codeguru was!!! Are you listening Kirk???

I'm a REALLY disappointed almost ex-user.

Someone wrote:

all of the articles that I contributed belong to ME. I was happy to share them with the user community but I'll be damned if I will have them stolen and have someone else control them.

There is no question in the legal language, that you - as the author - maintain ownership of your code, the question is merely one of reuse by visitors to this site.

BTW, to have your submissions removed, you have to rquest it in writing and mail it to EarthWeb by cerified mail... From their Terms & Conditions:

If (you) [sic] submit a resource to EarthWeb and/or you grant EarthWeb permission to display your source code and decide that you no longer want to grant EarthWeb permission to display your source code, EarthWeb will remove the resource and/or the source code from our site(s), provided, however, that you write to: "EarthWeb, 3 Park Avenue, New York, New York 10016, Attn: Developer.com Editor", by certified mail, to request that the resource and/or the source code to any applet or software resource submitted by you be removed from an EarthWeb web site. Upon receipt of such certified mail notification, EarthWeb will use its best efforts to remove such resource and/or source code from its web site(s).

Rail

Can't wait to hear see all the Lava (sand boxers) reasons... why we should all flow to L....a...........v..............a

Please separate code owned by EarthWeb from those owned by others!
Leave individual copyright notices allone!
The general copyright statement is completely unacceptable!