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Irona, I don't know about companies paying for their employee to continue their studies.
They can pay some training in one particular field. It's mostly one week training or a few days. But a full year??
Yes I heard a bout it for a MBA. Which I would like to do a bit later. Those prices are too big anyway to pay it yourself (roughly 105000 FRF = 16007€/$)
Simon666, your technical french is not bad ;o)
Marina
Really? Thank you. The explanation was not entirely correct. I forgot again that you indeed have to call UpdateData() first to get the text already entered in the control, next change it using ReplaceSel or just by changing the member string attached and then call UpdateData(FALSE); to set the changes. I've nevertheless used this myself like this frequently. Anyway, I'm replying over here as it would save me a lot of time as typing English goes way faster than French. I've also some problems with the gender of a word.Quote:
Originally posted by Marina Vaillant
Simon666, your technical french is not bad
And if I'm correct, a European resident just means somebody who resides in (still is inhabitant from) a European country. And is it my computer or is codeguru slow? :eek:
My company helps you in your studies, but doesn't pay all! :)Quote:
Originally posted by Marina Vaillant
Irona, I don't know about companies paying for their employee to continue their studies.
They can pay some training in one particular field. It's mostly one week training or a few days. But a full year??
Yes I heard a bout it for a MBA. Which I would like to do a bit later. Those prices are too big anyway to pay it yourself (roughly 105000 FRF = 16007€/$)
Marina
The problem isn't your computer, is you! :D :)Quote:
And is it my computer or is codeguru slow?
Seriously... is slow! :)
I think CG is a bit slow today as well.Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
And if I'm correct, a European resident just means somebody who resides in (still is inhabitant from) a European country. And is it my computer or is codeguru slow? :eek:
And I think YvesM was more thinking in this case of a European Resident as being from a EU member country.
Doing "things" between EU member country is usually much easier than if you come from other countries (enven other European countries). By "things" I means works, study, travel, get medical help, ...
Yes, exactly. The basic thing in Britain at least is that if you are a student from the UK or a EU country then you only have to pay the 1000 pounds. If you are from some other country you have to pay pretty steep fees for university.Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
And I think YvesM was more thinking in this case of a European Resident as being from a EU member country.
Doing "things" between EU member country is usually much easier than if you come from other countries (enven other European countries). By "things" I means works, study, travel, get medical help, ...
As long as we are talking about differences between European nations, let me ask you a question...
I understand that there is an educational program called the International Baccalaureate program. (I think this is for highschool students.) From what I've heard about it, it was created at first to have an international standard of education in Europe, so if you cross national borders (which happens a lot in Europe), your educational record still stands. Recently, the IB program has entered the United States and grown. So, what I'd like to ask is this: have you heard of this program, and if so what do you know about it? Does it really do all it's hyped up to do? I mean, do students really benefit from having gone through the program?
From Simon:
No! Since I'm not raging or smiling and there's nothing to be happy or sad, it's darn appropriate to show :cool:. Understand, Simon??!! :DQuote:
You choose your smilies rather strangely. I would not find this 'cool'. This would be more appropriate : , perhaps in combination with lots of .
From Marina:
No! This is only a 'conclusion' statement. Something to end the speech etc. Or maybe you're trying to drop me hints to say nice things about you? Ok then.Quote:
That's why what, Xeon ???
Well, guys....I hate to say this.....but let's face the facts, k? We all know Marina is really cute and womanly and every man wants her.
Er-hem. Happy now, Marina? :):):D:cool:
I haven't heard of companies that pay the employees to continue the studies, although many of them pay courses that usually last one or two weeks. In the case of the MBA or a similar Master course, I think some of them give an economic aid for employees that want to follow it (which implies in most cases a year that they don't work, although many Masters are starting to give the chance to follow the course on weekends), but probably they won't pay the total amount of the course.Quote:
Originally posted by Marina Vaillant
Irona, I don't know about companies paying for their employee to continue their studies.
They can pay some training in one particular field. It's mostly one week training or a few days. But a full year??
Yes I heard a bout it for a MBA. Which I would like to do a bit later. Those prices are too big anyway to pay it yourself (roughly 105000 FRF = 16007€/$)
In Spain it is supposed that when you're studying the last years of your degree, and this is mainly for technical studies, you can enter a company for practising and being paid at the same time. The company pays you from 240 to 600 euros for four hours working a day, and this can last from four months up to one year. This seems allright. But...
This is what happens with Telecommunications Engineering students, and I think it's similar for other degrees: As the market is so bad and it doesn't seem to recover, there's no job left for us. People who has finish in the last year, like me, have VERY strong problems to find a job. For those who finished some years ago and were already working is even worse, as they are being fired from several companies (some of them close and the others just reduce the number of employees). And the companies are taking profit of the students in this situation: they hire you as if you were in practices, but they want you to work 8 or 10 or 12 hours a day. They save money because students cost low than the other employees and sometimes they don't even pay anything, as the University does it for them (because of their agreement).
It's really sad. When you finish your studies and all you have left is your final project, the companies try to hire you for 10 hours a day paying 500 or 600 euros a month. You're an engineer but you don't have the diploma, so they make you work as an engineer and pay you like a student. Moreover, they don't want you to finish the project, and if you manage to do it (difficult working 10 hours a day), they just fire you. I've seen this so many times...
:(
What about situation with free vocations for programmers in Europe, America now?
The IB program in Europe is mostly done by private schools (I haven't heard of a public school doing this program, but I could be wrong). It helps to some degree, since universities know about the IB and know what it is worth and how many marks they should ask people who have done this. But it's not as important, since the member states have agreed to recognize each other's highschool diplomas anyways.Quote:
Originally posted by solarflare
As long as we are talking about differences between European nations, let me ask you a question...
I understand that there is an educational program called the International Baccalaureate program. (I think this is for highschool students.) From what I've heard about it, it was created at first to have an international standard of education in Europe, so if you cross national borders (which happens a lot in Europe), your educational record still stands. Recently, the IB program has entered the United States and grown. So, what I'd like to ask is this: have you heard of this program, and if so what do you know about it? Does it really do all it's hyped up to do? I mean, do students really benefit from having gone through the program?
The only problem is that university admissions tutors might not know the system of country XYZ well enough to make an informed decision about some candidate's marks. I had this problem in sorts when going to Britain, but luckily there was a student from Luxembourg who was the admissions tutor's tutee, so he did know a bit about the system.
Just to tell you what sort of ludicrous offers there have been... In Luxembourg marks are out of 60. Under 30 is fail, over 42 is 'good' and over 48 is 'very good'. There are rougly 5% of people who score 'very good', so it means quite a lot. A friend of mine was asked 45% (i.e. 27/60, so a 'fail') to be accepted at university. One (plain old) university asked me 55/60 to be accepted. There might be 1 student out of the whole of Luxembourg who has this mark in a year.
So the IB program might help, but it's not a major thing (yet ?)
It's exactly the same in France (except for the percentage of "very good" that I don't know): good 14/20, very good 16/20.Quote:
Originally posted by Yves M
Just to tell you what sort of ludicrous offers there have been... In Luxembourg marks are out of 60. Under 30 is fail, over 42 is 'good' and over 48 is 'very good'. There are rougly 5% of people who score 'very good', so it means quite a lot.
Wow! So that's about one student out of three with 55/60. Students are very good in Luxembourg then ;)Quote:
One (plain old) university asked me 55/60 to be accepted. There might be 1 student out of the whole of Luxembourg who has this mark in a year.
In France too, you have to make at least 5 months in a company before getting you engineer diploma. These training periods are not paid, the student only get some money for his time and work. It can vary a lot from a company to another, since there is no rule about this.Quote:
Originally posted by saturno7
In Spain it is supposed that when you're studying the last years of your degree, and this is mainly for technical studies, you can enter a company for practising and being paid at the same time. The company pays you from 240 to 600 euros for four hours working a day, and this can last from four months up to one year.
they hire you as if you were in practices, but they want you to work 8 or 10 or 12 hours a day. They save money because students cost low than the other employees and sometimes they don't even pay anything, as the University does it for them (because of their agreement).
:(
But we are supposed to work 8 hours a day all the time, like a normal worker (the employee may do more, but is not supposed to). I'm not ok with students working 10 hours a day, but 8 is normal here. Also they don't earn any holidays.
The companies see in them potential employees already alert of what the company is. But to have one, it cost some time to an employee, the tutor.
I don't have to report bad behavior from the companies...
Marina
I have always thought that France is a much more civilized country than Spain... :)Quote:
Originally posted by Marina Vaillant
I don't have to report bad behavior from the companies...
Best regards,
Ana.
There's a lot of things for which France is not civilised yet, starting by the way a lot of companies deal with their employees. The only thing that usually makes it better than other countries is the law. It gives more to the employees than other countries do.Quote:
Originally posted by saturno7
I have always thought that France is a much more civilized country than Spain... :)
Best regards,
Ana.
But on the other hand, for all the things that are not in the law (and even a few things in the law), a lot of companies have a bad behaviour, probably as bad as in other countries.
And I don't think there's any law protecting trainees!
did you misunderstand me??
I said companies had been behaving ok for me and the other trainees I know.
Marina