On a lighter note....
Q) What do you get if you cross an insomniac, an agnostic and a dyslexic?
A) Someone who stays awake all night wondering if there really is a dog.
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On a lighter note....
Q) What do you get if you cross an insomniac, an agnostic and a dyslexic?
A) Someone who stays awake all night wondering if there really is a dog.
Cute... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by John E
ahh... please see my reply in the jokes thread :DQuote:
Originally Posted by John E
You assume of course that the universe was "created" and then take the Judeo-Christaian God as the only conclusion, when there are an infinity of other possibilities. There is no evidence for any supernatural intercention in the Universe, and even if there were, again there are an infinity of possibilities other than the claims in the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rigel
Did you read the entire thread and particularly all my previous posts before this one? If so please come up with a reasonable explanation and I would be willing to listen to what you have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by JernauGurgeh
EDIT:
Start over at post #152
Did you? How are bible quotes and disbelief for big bang theory/evolution/whatever proof of god? In my mind, god is not a reasonable explanation, and the existance of the universe is not conclusive evidence for the existence of god.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rigel
on another, semi-related note
There was a quote from one of the school teachers involved in the major evolution/"intelligent design" (the biggest crock I've ever heard of - I far prefer religeous leaders talking about creationism then supposed scientists talking this rubbish, but, I digress) case that is going on in the US at the moment. He was talking about someone who had studied evolution at college, and referred to this person as being "brainwashed". Can someone please explain how someone who believes evolution theory has been brainwashed and someone who believes in a specific god hasn't?
For anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about with the court case, I recommend looking up some news sites and reading into it. It is very interesting stuff.
No need to get upset Zeb. If you want to believe in the evolution theory go right ahead. If you want to believe any other God or religion or whatever go right ahead. The posts I had made shouldn't stop you or upset you.
I've just stated reasons why I believe in what I believe in.
That's all and nothing more.
Look, I'm not here to bash on what people believe in. When people question why I believe in what I believe I let them know and I tell them why I believe in the God of the Bible. I said go back to #152, because there are some questions I have posed. Now if for some reason I have misunderstood something, or am wrong about something then let me know and I will rethink what I believe in. Are the questions I posed about Christ and the Bible not legitimate questions? They are, and if for some reason they are not, you can let me know.
The "evidence" I have presented is "evidence" for me to believe.
It is why I personally believe in the scriptures. There are many more examples I can give, also there are also some personal experiences which have led me also to believe that God is real.
You can have your beliefs, I can have mine.
If you want to discuss your beliefs and why you believe in what you believe go right ahead. I'm not going to stop you.
But for now let's just have a discussion without getting upset with one another. K? :)
(Hmm... I'm wondering how many enemies I have made by now? Please still answer my C++ questions in the forums. :p )
Who said anything about Christians being against the evolution theory?
THe fact is the first 12 chapters of the book of Genesis are laced with imagry.
If a 'fundamentalist' Christian is telling you that the world was definitely created in 6 24 hour periods and that Noah had dinosaurs on his ark is not quoting from the Bible. The 6 day theories are a hot topic in Christian theological debate. The theology subjects I'm studying steer well clear of such controversy which is proof enough that we don't know.
The bottomline is, if there is a creator of the universe then there must be a meaning to our existence. And would a creator not be able to step in and reveal himself?
Man has made up all kinds of God's and that is the truth, however none are really accountable. It is always 'one man' had a revelation with no one to back it up.
The only ones accountable are Judaism, Christianity & Mormonism because it can be proved by many people and mormonism has been disproved by genetics and common sense.
If you dismiss things without looking further into them you may be gambling the biggest thing you have - your life. Think about it.
Ahh, the joys of forums! I'm not getting upset, and I'm not attacking - I thought you were attacking jernau! ;) I think he made a valid point, and your reply appeared to be perhaps a bit more aggressive then it was intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rigel
and deniz - sorry, again, misunderstanding here. the second paragraph is an unrelated note that I found interesting, not truly intended to be taken in context with the first... I'll edit it.
there is always Free Choice for human kind...if they chooose to believe in 'one man' revelation, that's their choice...but now, for me(not intended to say that I'm right here), Free Will is for God only...but we only have Free Choice...what God wills can always happen, but what we choose may or may not happen.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Deniz
we'll be judge based on our intention, not on the outcome...
(of course, Atheist will not believe this...but I'm only talking from God believers' point of view...specifically, from my point of view :))
Don't think too hard children, you'll get wrinkles.
like all children does, I tried to have some wrinkles:D...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deniz
Two important points have still not been answered....
1) Of all the wondrous things that God created in his universe, why would he pick on man alone and demand that only man should worship him? If worship is important to God, why did he not give all his creations the ability to worship?
2) I put forward (way back) what I believe is a very plausible theory for why a being such as primitive man, in the early stages of development, would inevitably come to believe in the existence of God, This would happen regardless of whether or not God actually existed. Civilisations all across the ancient world invented some kind of deity (or deities) to worship. And yet for the most part, these deities were completely different beings. Humans "received" stories about God which are supposedly divine truths - and yet the stories contradict each other. And some civilisations had multiple gods when the idea of multiple gods is anathama to other civilisations. Why are there so many fundamental contradictions if there was genuinely only one God who created all these people and who insisted they all worship him? There is overwhelming evidence that God is entirely an invention of man. On the other hand, there is no evidence (IMHO) that man is an invention of God. Many people may believe he is - but people used to believe that the world was flat. People used to believe that the world was the centre of the universe - and that illnesses were caused by having too much blood. At one time, these were all strongly held beliefs and yet all were false. Stongly held beliefs - unfortunately - do not count as proof.
The fact that there are so many religions, so many views about a god or gods, can be a good argument against god.
Assuming there is a god that created the universe, the earth and life on it, including us, humans, why would this God pick up just a single nation (or just several) to reveal himself to, to demand worshiping? If we all are his children, as the Bible and AFAIK the Quran say and probably other sacre text, why does he let as fight against each other, why doesn't he reveal himself to all of us so that we know he exists and there is only one God, a true God (not necesarly as viewed by Christians, Jews, Muslims or others)? Why does he let us labeling eachother as non-believers, why does he let us fight in his name (whether his name is Yehowah, Allah, Brahma, Shiva, or anything else)? It doesn't make too much sense to me. Actually at all. I don't know what such a god has to gain from this.
The fact that so many places around the globe god is portraited different (and I'm not refering to physical traits) is, IMO, a clear indication that God is man-made. Nietzsche asked "Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?" I believe the later. As he, Nietzsche, put it, "God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown."