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Originally Posted by Mick
I use to post here :D I stopped after awhile, mostly because of the ads
everyone can learn something from the Goobles...no ads...more users...of course, different prey, different traps, different way, same point...
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and the rating system (was the only moderator to say f no to that).
mid fing to that too...short term -> put an option, to use or not to use...long term -> good discussion = good rate...not star the thread and green blob the user...blob the thread and(if many want) star the user...
hokay...it's time to change the bongo water...
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From Ree:
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what fuels CG today?
I thought it's Xeon? I mean, both the human and the processor. Without Xeon, where would CodeGuru be? Probably still running on 66Hz Pentium I processors on 1 single server with Windows 1.0 and 64KB of EDO-RAM. :thumbd:
Darn!
Xeon.
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I guess I stopped posting here as well. The ads are really a nightmare. Try using code guru in China with a 10 base T conection and, no joke, 0.4 Kbs.
I guess for me thinks were just not a fun once Xeon, Mick and Galatheae left. I didn't know Andreas had left as well. I think that there is no question that the quality of the discussions has degraded. There are some exceptions in the non-visual C++ forum.
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And yes Mick, seems like Code Guru has gone to the crapper.
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Originally Posted by Mick
I use to post here :D I stopped after awhile, mostly because of the ads and the rating system (was the only moderator to say f no to that).
I look around and I don't see people here. What is up with that? Do you think it has gone downhill?
Hi Mick, you are alive? Many people here (downhill or uphill) thought you are dead since about one year. ;)
News:
- a post, yours or not, cannot be rated twice;
- a post, yours or not, if is from Chit Chat forum cannot be rated at all.
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From Ovidi Kuku(the bird):
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Hi Mick, you are alive? Many people here (downhill or uphill) thought you are dead since about one year.
He's semi-dead, actually. Comes to life and post once in a while, but when his inner clockwork winds down and loses strength, he goes to sleep until some witch doctor dig him up and wind up his clockwork again and let him post in CodeGuru.
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News:
* a post, yours or not, cannot be rated twice;
* a post, yours or not, if is from Chit Chat forum cannot be rated at all.
Let's all boycott CodeGuru and march on to CodeProject! Our new future is there!
(CodeProject is even regularly giving free cool t-shirts and mugs away because they cherish their members!)
Good day,
Xeon.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Play some marching music DJ.
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Originally Posted by Yves M
Well, talk to Mick about it, since he left because of the rep system.
Really?
Remember when Mick "retired" he had one of the best reputation place and a signature including something like "please, please, don't forget to rate my post!" .
Come on, let's be honest!
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Originally Posted by Xeon
Let's all boycott CodeGuru and march on to CodeProject!
I was there but sincerely, I don't like it!
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Originally Posted by ovidiucucu
I was there but sincerely, I don't like it!
I agree, Codeproject is not that good when it comes to forum.
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Well, I wouldn't mind free T-Shirts etc.. :D but that is not a need that I have to post somewhere my thoughts.. wrong or right.
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Originally Posted by Padex
No, it's not that. It's the same question(s) over and over again, receiving the same answer(s) over and over again for the sake of a few green dots.
Well, every year some new people start with the same problems. It will happen.
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Originally Posted by Padex
Also in the rush for higher rep you'll see multiple identical answers for the same post. While some duplicates are natural ( same post time) the ones posted 30 mins later are not.
I don't think people posting duplicates are able to do so for many times. Either they go away or are questions. I have questioned a few about "value" their post makes. Also, it can be considered an indirect question meaning their reply is faulty which other might correct out. It is what makes a discussion a discussion.
I think what most people want is a niche for themselves. A forum where only guru questions come up and replied to. Either we can have a newbie forum or a Guru forum here.. a good suggestion that I don't know if has been brought earlier.
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Originally Posted by Krishnaa
I think it's only a personal matter with few members who did't like the changes on codeguru.
Exactly! My thought! Ego-clashes may be! :)
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Originally Posted by Alin
i wish it was that, but unfortunatelly is not. take a look around. you'll see.
There are a few forums here very active.. some not.. that can always happen and considering some forums got started late by which time there are other sources where those tech forums might have got famous.
I think there are certain people who got more close to some of their time members and were not open to letting new folks come in or so.. more of like a closed group. May be I am wrong.. may be I am not able to express it well.. but I seriously do think this is one of things that has got itself highlighted from the posts so far.
The various concerns that I feel that came out here are:
1. Low standard of posts due to reputation system
2. Low standard of posts due to a lot of beginner questions
3. Repeated posting of same answer by multiple members
4. Old folks for some reason missing to come here and post
5. Great discussions not happening here anymore because of the experts left. Did I miss anything?
For those:
1: I don't agree. I have posted my reasons already.
2. That will happen. Point is how much of non-newbie questions get put up. Suggestion of having a different newbie forum can help but I don't know of its implementability.
3. Can always be checked therein!
4. Will always happen - for many reasons what-so-ever
5. This is the funniest because I don't know how can Gurus bring up this concern. They in a way are making fun of themselves and the rest of the Gurus sticking around here. Also, it depends on other points above.
Well, these are just my opinion. I may be wrong... you can do a shift-delete to your memory chunks holding any relevance to this post. Regarding criticisms or pointing out if my perception is wrong - you can surely fight back! :)
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Originally Posted by Xeon
[Seriously, can you even understand what that old fogey is saying half the time? He talks in rocket-science + hieroglyphics riddles + arcane Machine Language + Who-Knows-What-Language-and-speech all the time!
All graveyards are full of non-replaceable people.
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I personally find CP has advantages and disadvantages. I find CG to be able to correct its shortcomings as a community, where CP may not.
One difference between CG and CP is that CG has a more open forum of communications.
On CG you can just post, without having a project. Ergo we can talk about
this . For example it could be said that from what I have read of this, different types of reputation could be added to show different strongpoints.
I don't think there is anything wrong with bringing that up, but the verbose of the original post was aggressive in nature. I don't think we even need to change that.
FWIW,
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Which I find to be a much more constructive discussion that this one.
Although it does point at areas of improvement that we cannot make.
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I am frankly outraged. The response I have seen here to Mick by a bunch of hacks is disgusting. Mick is one of the most competant prgorammers macking an appearance here on code guru. [ ... ] As soon as Mick left and Galthaea , this sight lost all interest for me.
Back to the twelve pack for me.
Yves: Ok, let's calm down on personal attacks please
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Yves: Please no personal attacks
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Originally Posted by souldog
Mick is one of the most competant prgorammers macking an appearance here on code guru.
I think Mick is saying that he misses CG, please make these changes, so he can rejoin. Look he posted here right?
Sorry CP is just not as free and easy spirited as CG.
Nobody is questioning Micks programming ability.
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Moderator notice: personal attacks, especially if accompanied by foul language violate the AUP.
Please stay courtuous, whatever your opinion is.
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I apologize Yves. As you kow you are one of the people I truly respec. I jus had a hard time listening to mick take this crap.
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Well, fair enough and I get your point, but there are better ways of saying it ;)
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Originally Posted by Yves M
Well, talk to Mick about it, since he left because of the rep system.
Really? Interesting to know, since Mick was in top three of most reputed people when he "retired". ;)
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Originally Posted by Yves M
Personnally I don't think the reputation system is a problem, but I don't think it's helpful either. It doesn't add much value since the green dots don't mean much to me. If a person has a great answer, it's a great answer, no matter how much green there is. Same for bad answers.
Nothing is perfect. Reputation system is one of the "gadgets" forums use to attract people. ;)
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Really? Interesting to know, since Mick was in top three of most reputed people when he "retired". ;)
Marius, that's hardly the point. I have almost 3K rep points and I hate each and every single one of them. But at some point I was enthusiastic about them too ( giving and receiving). IMHO the rep system is the worst thing that happened to CG in the past 3 years.
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Originally Posted by PadexArt
Marius, that's hardly the point. I have almost 3K rep points
Pretty good, my friend. ;)
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and I hate each and every single one of them.
Come on, Mother Teresa, hate is a sin. :D
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But at some point I was enthusiastic about them too ( giving and receiving). IMHO the rep system is the worst thing that happened to CG in the past 3 years.
Generally speaking.
Since first homo erectus said "Aha...", 66% of his successors inherit the gene of take_all_advantages_you_can_from_one_system_then_throw_with_dirt_in_it.
Again, just generally speaking.
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Are we heading somewhere with this or is it just a blame game going on?
@ souldog - no one is questioning anyone's capabilities or attributes as an individual... :) Intention isn't that... the problems being discussed don't hold much ground and I don't know if anything can be done about it... The site cannot do without Ads (as I know it) - I say it is time to say compromise on that front.. and just start a new thread in Feedback about whenever they become resource greedy!! :D
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Generally speaking.
Since first homo erectus said "Aha...", 66% of his successors inherit the gene of take_all_advantages_you_can_from_one_system_then_throw_with_dirt_in_it.
Again, just generally speaking.
I wasn't here to start the C++ Aha moments thread when the first homo erectus said Aha! :D SM even did not have his posting back then, I guess.. :D
I wonder how you came to the number 66 :D ;)
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Marius, that's hardly the point. I have almost 3K rep points and I hate each and every single one of them. But at some point I was enthusiastic about them too ( giving and receiving). IMHO the rep system is the worst thing that happened to CG in the past 3 years.
Actually, I understand and to an extent agree with that. Though, I would say the worst thing that has happened to CG is the Flash Advertisements.
The problem I see with the reputation system is that it creates competition in the form of absolute comparison (like one possible in a mathematics examination) on a point-to-point basis possible. This would be OK save for the fact that it does not ensure that all good answers are equally rewarded.
In principle, I am pro-competition, but I dislike one performed on unfair grounds.
For instance - why should a member with more posts give more points? Why should a member who has made his Id in the year 1999 give 7 points with 10 posts in hand, but another that registered last month with a 100 posts give 1 point only? Neither the technical quality of the post being rated nor that of the member who is rating is a function of the years spent with CG. Ditto for posts at CG. Right?
I also do think that the reputation system makes answering questions lucrative to an extent - at least for new comers and in that sense it may play a positive role. On the other hand, this incentive is also applicable to members who post for the heck of the points and this incentive ends up serving a non-constructive purpose.
The only advantage of the reputation system I see is the feedback (especially, the comments) as they do really play a completely constructive role - at least for me. In a hypothetical situation, if we were able to successfully do away with the points-system much to my liking, I would still love to keep the comments-feedback intact.
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On the other hand, this incentive is also applicable to members who post for the heck of the points and this incentive ends up serving a non-constructive purpose.
Exactly. And this is not done by just 1-2 members. Just count the "rate me" signatures. :(
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The only advantage of the reputation system I see is the feedback (especially, the comments) as they do really play a completely constructive role - at least for me.
How about leaving the feedback part but stripping the green dots. And make the green dots post specific ( not the whole thread).
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Originally Posted by Sid
Though, I would say the worst thing that has happened to CG is the Flash Advertisements.
I totally agree with you here.
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Originally Posted by Sid
The problem I see with the reputation system is that it creates competition in the form of absolute comparison (like one possible in a mathematics examination) on a point-to-point basis possible. This would be OK save for the fact that it does not ensure that all good answers are equally rewarded.
Yes and no. You can't see how many rep points a member has, only some thresholds, like +100, +200, +1000, + 3000, etc. It's somehow a "fuzzy" system.
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Sid has good suggestions wrt points that people give away.. That is one thing that I think most would agree upon (even though it may cause a few more ripple effects).
Another thing that can be done is not let the same post get rated by 2 different people.
If they can be made forum specific - it would simply be splendid, IMO. :)
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Originally Posted by exterminator
I wasn't here to start the C++ Aha moments thread when the first homo erectus said Aha!
Sorry Abhishek, my friend! I had not any malicious intention.
Anyhow, more and more scientists sustain that first homo erectus didn't say "Aha!.." but "Uhu!..". :D ;)
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I think these two points discuss the same line:
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Originally Posted by PadexArt
How about leaving the feedback part but stripping the green dots. And make the green dots post specific ( not the whole thread).
Removing the dots may not solve the problem completely...
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Originally Posted by cilu
You can't see how many rep points a member has, only some thresholds, like +100, +200, +1000, + 3000, etc. It's somehow a "fuzzy" system.
Again, yes and no... :)
Apart from green dots and their staged increments that indicate reputation, one can always sort members on reputation and find the absolute ranking out.
The points and dots in a competitive system only serve the purpose of establishing an absolute ranking, and this information is made available for viewing, in addition to the green dots.
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Another thing that can be done is not let the same post get rated by 2 different people.
Which can be good, reasonable, genuine arguments for that?
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Originally Posted by Siddhartha
Apart from green dots and their staged increments that indicate reputation, one can always
sort members on reputation and find the absolute ranking out.
The points and dots in a competitive system only serve the purpose of establishing an absolute ranking, and this information is made available for viewing, in addition to the green dots.
The green dots and all their baggage should be removed as I see absolutely no use in ranking. Just possible abuse and useless posting. I respect people for the quality of their posts and not for their green dots and/or ranking.
EDIT: ... but I'm growing tired to read posts made for the sake of post count and/or rep points.
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Which can be good, reasonable, genuine arguments for that?
Are you asking me? I am not asking for removing the comments as well.. let them get rated twice or more but no numerical value should get added.. like if two people rated - the person would see two comments that he would have had got and just 1 point added.
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Are you asking me? I am not asking for removing the comments as well.. let them get rated twice or more but no numerical value should get added.. like if two people rated - the person would see two comments that he would have had got and just 1 point added.
You mean, 1 point or points from the first person that rated (as it originally seemed)?
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You mean, 1 point or points from the first person that rated (as it originally seemed)?
Yeah.. but I don't know what it originally was. Everyone having 1 reputation strength and only the first rating for a post count.. but the comments should be kept..
Is that something that you like? Then may be I will put this up in the Feedback forum for Brad to take a look at...
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Everyone having 1 reputation strength and only the first rating for a post count.. but the comments should be kept..
I'd say axe the points altogether or at least don't add them up in the user's profile. Let the post have ranking and not you. So in 2 years when someone reads the post and there is an indication that the post was good/helpful.
Feedback is great and should be kept but not the green monsters.
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Originally Posted by exterminator
Everyone having 1 reputation strength and only the first rating for a post count.. but the comments should be kept..
Is that something that you like?
I don't see it solve any problem caused by the existence of points and I don't see the proposal mitigate them either.
What will happen is that good posts and average posts will all carry the same number of points. We may end up creating new problems without addressing the root cause.
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:D :D :D
Yes, Kill the monster.. I won't speak anymore against the killing.. :D
But I admit, it is fun! And believe it or not - be it right or wrong.. :D I would leave the day reps are gone.. atleast from the discussion forums...
I will re-activate my C++ blog and start posting there and add value to it.. I will have my own questions and my own answers.. my own small little articles.. it will be more fun.. plus I will not need to search through millions of CG posts for something I wrote - I can easily find it on my blog.. I will surely gather readership and may be then I shall start hosting Ads myself :D :D
People may complain about those Ads, but I will keep them... I will have rating system as well - I will rate all my posts as Excellent.. :D Any bad feedback - I will delete... I will have my own .. fun filled.. exciting.. world on my blog.. :D
Kill the monster, Kill the beast
Kill the rep system on which spammers feast!
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Well, you posted something completely off-topic in here to complain about people doing the same to your thread. Right?
Next time, simply PM a Moderator or use the "Report Post" feature.
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IM-very-very-HO, I would think the dots AND the no. of posts ( note the AND ) sufficiently good indicator of the value / reliability of the post. Agree, for newly joined experts this may not be a good indicator, but, overtime, it certainly can be.
It is just a way of weighing a particular post. If it were a single line of comment from a veteran and with good rep points, perhaps there is some info in there that is to be considered and I would ask for more info, where as , if it is the same one liner from a newbie chances are , I will look further and look at what other posts have to say.
It is similar to any reviews we see onsite on products we buy e.g. a music CD. My tendency would be to read through all the comments / reviews posted for a particular album and come up with a judgment myself with all the info I have. I would look at what the reviewers have posted elsewhere and things like that.
To me, rep points is a nice way to say a post is good and gives info in , in my opinion, the direction of doing things the right way or the better way. That is easier to do with rep points than post a reply saying "Oh well, what you say sounds like the right approach". I guess, in this respect, these rep points ARE in fact to prevent such "good answer" spam.
For that matter, why is any info at all required there about the poster ( Join date, Location, member status like Power poster blah blah ) ? What does that mean. Hey !! You better listen to me , cos I am a power poster ?? Why not have something like , say years in software industry ? Maybe that holds much more relevance, maybe not.
As for people having "rate me in their signature" or whatever , I don't care. I don't get swayed by these. It is their signature and they are entitled to put anything there. If someone feels good getting a pat on the back , so be it. What is wrong with that ? It is like anything else, some one posting their photo, some one posting a link to their blog/website. It is ultimately to feel good. If I don't like that, I ignore them. That is all.
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I don't see anything constructive happening here though.. all are biased towards their own viewpoints (may be me as well). It is better that the moderators and the admins decide upon what to keep and what not to keep as far as concerns regarding reps or ads are concerned.
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Well, you posted something completely off-topic in here to complain about people doing the same to your thread. Right?
Next time, simply PM a Moderator or use the "Report Post" feature.
Sorry Sid, but don't you think it is tough to be on-topic in chit chat. ;) In a way it is related to the concern of the thread as you say.. :) So, not completely off-topic.. :D
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It is true - reputations are liked as well as disliked.
Unlike Flash Advertisements. :rolleyes:
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IM-very-very-HO, I would think the dots AND the no. of posts ( note the AND ) sufficiently good indicator of the value / reliability of the post. Agree, for newly joined experts this may not be a good indicator, but, overtime, it certainly can be.
It is just a way of weighing a particular post. If it were a single line of comment from a veteran and with good rep points, perhaps there is some info in there that is to be considered and I would ask for more info, where as , if it is the same one liner from a newbie chances are , I will look further and look at what other posts have to say.
It is similar to any reviews we see onsite on products we buy e.g. a music CD. My tendency would be to read through all the comments / reviews posted for a particular album and come up with a judgment myself with all the info I have. I would look at what the reviewers have posted elsewhere and things like that.
To me, rep points is a nice way to say a post is good and gives info in , in my opinion, the direction of doing things the right way or the better way. That is easier to do with rep points than post a reply saying "Oh well, what you say sounds like the right approach". I guess, in this respect, these rep points ARE in fact to prevent such "good answer" spam.
For that matter, why is any info at all required there about the poster ( Join date, Location, member status like Power poster blah blah ) ? What does that mean. Hey !! You better listen to me , cos I am a power poster ?? Why not have something like , say years in software industry ? Maybe that holds much more relevance, maybe not.
As for people having "rate me in their signature" or whatever , I don't care. I don't get swayed by these. It is their signature and they are entitled to put anything there. If someone feels good getting a pat on the back , so be it. What is wrong with that ? It is like anything else, some one posting their photo, some one posting a link to their blog/website. It is ultimately to feel good. If I don't like that, I ignore them. That is all.
Very good points Kirants! Kudos!
Moreover, such people asking to kill the rep system (ignore my previous agreement about killing the hulk :D) - why show even their usernames? Lets all have Guest logins and post stuff.. no info about anything... except for threads and posts... What do they have to say about it?
Lets talk stats now - how many 1000+ rep members are spammers? This is a serious question and I would love an answer... regarding quoting names I am completely fine with it (may be others may be not)
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The spammers are not the problem. IMHO it is the senior members playing the rep game that cause more damage. If 1 duplicated/already answered question receives an answer from a senior member the OP will be encouraged to do that again. And the senior member will answer it again for the sake of the green dots.
If this is true, then it is not the system that is to blame but incorrect usage of the system. CodeGuru members can generally be classified into two types those who ask questions [let's call them type Q] and those who answer questions [type A] with a miniscule population of hybrids [type QA?]. When a Q rates a post all you get is a black (or dark blue) dot with zero points so these strings of green dots can't be built on ratings by Q types. All these points come from ratings done by other A types. So if a Q asks an oft repeated question and a A type jumps in to answer, it is beacuse s/he knows other A types will rate the post.
Now, with all due respect @ those who said they object to the spamming of the tech forums with low quality posts :
You can't stop the Q types from posting trivial questions. Not answering them or rebuking them for not reading the FAQ or searching the articles isn't going to stop the flood of trivial questions. So basically those who have a problem with the spamming of the tech forums with trivial question/answer pairs don't basically have a problem with CodeGuru. They think it's CodeGuru but it isn't CodeGuru. It's the developer community in general. The world is changing. In the past when less than 1% of the world's population were programmers you could get away with saying that programmers largely belong to the set of the smartest 2% of the world's population. Now, such a thing is mathematically impossibe when 15 to 20 percent of the worlds population (a rough estimate) are working in the IT industry. With a marked increase in this percentage each year, there is bound to be a general drop in quality. You have to either learn to live with it or re-train as a neurosurgeon and start posting in BrainGuru ;)
P.S. I notice some guys are making comedy posts in the midst of this serious discussion. Guys, please cease and desist; your attempts at humour are not at all appreciated here. Thank you ;)
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IM-very-very-HO, I would think the dots AND the no. of posts ( note the AND ) sufficiently good indicator of the value / reliability of the post. Agree, for newly joined experts this may not be a good indicator, but, overtime, it certainly can be.
This is sometimes true...I have helped approx 10 NooB's here in the last 10 days and none of them have rated the post...not even the one thread that had 59 post's to fix/retrain for the problem, have rated the posts, but this thread was rated by a moderator as he saw the value of the post.
Out of all the ratings shown on my CP the person that has the lowest number of post is at 239 posts, so if it weren't for the members that understand the value of the post, I would have no ratings in the CP. Not that I care but it does mean something to others as suggested by Kiran.
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From Sahir:
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P.S. I notice some guys are making comedy posts in the midst of this serious discussion. Guys, please cease and desist; your attempts at humour are not at all appreciated here. Thank you.
Isn't this the spirit of CodeGuru's Chit-Chat forum? For serious discussion about the future of CodeGuru, please head over to the Feedback forum.
The thing is : you guys are making a big hoo-ha over a small little molehill.
Tell me what you folks are lamenting about and maybe I can suggest pointers. I mean, come on : I've been here since CodeGuru was using the primitive, text-based forum software. I've been here since those old ancients like Alex Fedotov, Paul McKenzie(still here?), Bill Heffner etc. were here.
I've also been here in the Golden Age of CodeGuru(early 2001 - mid-2002).
In the Golden Age, CodeGuru had hundreds of posts here daily, and 95% of them were constructive and richful discussions. The Chit Chat forum in those days were so lively, funny, high quality and wacky that you had thought David Letterman, Howard Stern and Oprah Winfrey were all posting here. Even those Visual C++ experts and folks from all over CodeGuru's other forums joined in the bash. It was so cool that I got addicted for several hours every day.
The thing is : let's get the problem out straight and direct, put it all on the table and that's it. If there's any "young hacks" trying to humiliate MiCk or something, we can ban him. Straight and simple. It's like the Iraq war : you simply pull out the troops and then settle the consequences later. You don't over-analyze.
See you all,
Xeon.
(I WILL PUT AN END TO ALL THESE **** HERE)
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Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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If there's any "young hacks" trying to humiliate MiCk or something, we can ban him.
We, who? ;)
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Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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The Chit Chat forum in those days were so lively, funny, high quality and wacky that you had thought David Letterman, Howard Stern and Oprah Winfrey were all posting here. Even those Visual C++ experts and folks from all over CodeGuru's other forums joined in the bash. It was so cool that I got addicted for several hours every day.
All internet forums, irc etc were like that back in the good old days because that's how we made it. Things were raw, ropey, rigged together and if they hung together it was cool. As with everything that evolves and sanitises it's never quite as good as it was back then. Quake3World was one of my typical haunts back in 99 - the forum software was buggy and I had loads of fun inserting bits of CSS and sql injection into my usernames to make my name appear reversed, on a button. People used to graffiti other posts with absolute positioning and all in, it was a proper laugh by a bunch of morons who knew how to screw the system without breaking it. IRC too, back in the day before nickserv and the concept of owning your name - if someone else had it, well tough! (Or collide them off when some buggy server split from the network 'cause you DOSed it). All through, it was a proper laugh but it's a bygone time now. Everything gets more PC, more legislated and more restricted. In some ways it's not a bad thing, but in others, it takes away the very core reasons for participating (enjoyment of the freedoms granted to those who explored them)
I dont know if that's happened here for sure, but it does seem like the community has changed. It wasnt the ratings system, or the ads. I dont know what it was exactly, but the technological shift occurring outside, use of programming languages, and the educated skill of the general users has altered. I personally think that increasingly in these times, people are more concerned with selfish pursuits such as getting the answer they want, and achieving something that looks good no matter what scrap lies underneath. I've seen people buy $200 worth of vinyl stickers for their vehicle because they felt they needed it to look good, yet they neglect an essential servicing to a vital system costing $150.. or they pull their face at it. Vanity rises, interest in others, and getting deep down and dirty falls, sense of community and "were all in the same boat" is stripped away leaving each man an island, playing a pointless game of oneupmanship through accumulation of shiny things he declines to share.
Maybe fightclub was right.. :)
Oh, and.. if you want the good old days back.. I guess it's time to invent a new internet that's new, unstable, and hard as hell to use so that the only the enthusiastic few will use it, rather than the sheep majority.. That's really the only difference between now and then; ease of access for hoardes of (AOL users?)
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Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
Im software student about two years i procrastinatig here and i answered many questions i remember people like Darwen which I learned many things from him but nowadays CG doesnt have tha quality for learning and gurus just answering some repetitive and uncreative questions...
and i dont have any comment on chit-chat because i get banned because of my commnts :rolleyes: :D
I really like to see here more professinal for example guru share their projects for peole like me ,technical forums are not constructive totally boring and uneducative (sp? :D )
for example there is no guru to drop his projects here and others learn and debate or edit it and improve not just answering some lame & easy questions ;)
