knowing where some one is from is important as knowing what is the correct syntax..
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knowing where some one is from is important as knowing what is the correct syntax..
(o) Other is not knowing where some is from and its not a country.. Philippines is
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I can get one in Russia for US$5. :D The Russians are a bit cash strapped. If I have Maffia Ganglord Yves by my side I may even be able to pingle a dollar or two of. ;)Quote:
Don't worry, I never trusted Simon666... he'd have to pay me at least US$10 to get that source code. I figure anyone worth less than US$10 might be ruthless! But anyone who has a tenspot would certainly show disgression! There are a few exceptions, of course.
Hehehe, Simon! U can ask me for help:D I even write it for U for 0.99$ only. And I know the next portline for the next Bond movie. Something like: Mr. Bond will save Whole World from dangerous devil Simon and super-puper hacker dimm_coder. And it'll be the movie without happy end. :D (.... for Bond of course ).
:D :cool:
I thought Belarus and Ukrain gave their nukes back to Russia, while Kazachstan got to keep them, while I'm not sure. But for your knowledge of Russia(n), you could be of great help for my evil plans. ;)Quote:
Hehehe, Simon! U can ask me for help.
Yes, except 1 or 2 which my friends - Belarussian partizanes left for own usage. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Simon666
I thought Belarus and Ukrain gave their nukes back to Russia,
Yes, tell me, when U will be ready ;)Quote:
But for your knowledge of Russia(n), you could be of great help for my evil plans. ;)
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Simon, I read this weekend that in Belgium, first time in Europe, there is electronic card for everyone. Is it true? Did U got it already? And what is it? May be for "Big Brother see U";)
Well, today. What will we blow up first? :DQuote:
Yes, tell me, when U will be ready
And as far as the electronic card is concerned : I've heard and read an article already that indeed the next type of identity card will be electronical. But don't ask me by what time this will be implemented. We may just be the first country in the world with something like that. The US (and UK I think) doesn't even have an identity card for some reason which I'm not sure of, I've heard it is to protect Americans abroad but exactly why this would be is not clear to me.
Well, for first, we must create some underground organization and recruit members in it. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Simon666
Well, today. What will we blow up first? :D
Simon, in our country there is one colloquialism, that
"Only sniper can save Belarus" . Had you acquainted with anyone sniper?
:rolleyes:
:cool:
Guys, this getting a little bit tasteless...
I also think so.Quote:
Originally posted by Yves M
Guys, this getting a little bit tasteless...
Guys, can you offer some interesting subject to say about???
If you reject anything, then offer another.
You're not serious about this one are you? Are you referring to the Tunesian immigrant to Belgium that became an Al Quaeda member and told the CIA of Al Quaeda sniper trainings or is their really a saying of that kind? And it appears that YvesM is a maffia ganglord by Xeon's definition, maybe he can become a member or our underground organization.Quote:
"Only sniper can save Belarus" . Had you acquainted with anyone sniper?
Yeah.Quote:
Guys, this getting a little bit tasteless...
I've just seen "Bowling for colombine" (Michael Moore). That's great.
Is anyone got the answer to his question ?
For those who haven't seen the film; the question is :
"why is there so much murder in the US ?"
(about 10 000 per year !! in other country, it's about 100/200)
Go and see this movie.
Sylvain.
Is it something real, or did you made it just because of the previous conversation?Quote:
Originally posted by dimm_coder
Simon, in our country there is one colloquialism, that
"Only sniper can save Belarus" . Had you acquainted with anyone sniper?
If it's a real saying, I don't get what it means. Can you explain it? :confused:
If it's something you made up, then I agree that the conversation gets a bit tasteless... :rolleyes:
Because just about anybody can own a gun. When a shop gets robbed in Europe, they alert the police and hope that these will catch the thief. In the US the shopkeeper will get out his sawed-off shotgun and blast at the guys while these blast at him.Quote:
Originally posted by Sylvain
"why is there so much murder in the US ?"
Europe : 0 dead, money stolen
US : 2 dead, no money stolen
I don't know which one is better :rolleyes:
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why is there so much murder in the US ?
I disagree. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. There are cases where, in a fit of rage, a person will pull out a gun and use it in an unfortunate manner when, if (s)he had not had a gun, no human would have been injured. But more frequently, murders are planned out and would occur regardless of the tools the person has. I think murders are more common in this country (USA) because of the culture here, and how there are more different kinds of people that people can hate, and the penalty isn't really bad (only about a decade of prison time is the minimum sentence), and because other people do it.Quote:
Because just about anybody can own a gun.
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Originally posted by Sylvain
"why is there so much murder in the US ?"
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I'm not so sure about that statement. Although, I don't have the statistics in front of me right now. I don't think per capita that the USA is leading in that area. Of course we do have more people than most countries. So more muders. I'll look around for some data to back that up. I know I read about the various per capita stats around the world about a year or two ago and I don't think we were #1 :) But then we always like to be #1 in whatever we do so who knows, maybe I'm wrong.
The other thing is. It's where you live. I spent two years in Billings Montana. People were very nice and everyone owned a gun, a dog, and a pickup truck :) But you didn't have rampant killings. It's such a far cry from the east coast. You can really see the difference in moral decay as I have in moving back to the east coast. One of the biggest problems is drugs and drug releated crimes. If you legalized drugs crime would drop dramatically. Try walking through South East DC it's all drug related murders and crime in that area. (and I don't advise you even go close to South East DC just a point I'm making)
So I say legalize drugs, get rid of the crime element, control it federally, stop wasting billions of dollars trying to fight something you can' t win at. Take some of that money and put it into treatment, prevention, education and the creation of jobs for lower income families. If I can make 7 bucks an hour flipping burgers, or I can make 20,000 a week dealing drugs in the inner city..well you know.
Ok, Elrond, it wasn't simple "game of words".Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
Is it something real, or did you made it just because of the previous conversation?
If it's a real saying, I don't get what it means. Can you explain it? :confused:
If it's something you made up, then I agree that the conversation gets a bit tasteless... :rolleyes:
Of course, it was joke when Simon was asked by me about - if he know sniper. But in other it's not joke.
Do U really know about situation in our country???
I have already explained it for Simon by pm, and I know that he understand me, because, I think, he more interesting in situation at the World, not only at his country, than may be some other members.
So this words "Only sniper can save Belarus" - it's real words, we sometimes say here, about the president of our country. Of course, this bit joking, but it really can explain situation in our country. He became president since 1994 year, then he changed Constitution of our Republic to have president time for 7 years not 5 like it was by Constitution. He made some unconstitution referendum. Then in 2001 he made false president compain, falsificate results and became president for 2-nd time. Now by constitution it is his last possible time like president. But, I think, at some near future we'll see new referendum, by which he can stand president for 3-d time. All power concentrated in his hands.
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So this words(about sniper) mean that this is only one possible way to leave president post for him.
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Opps, I think that our KGB has other tasks that trying to find me for words, I have written here.
:rolleyes:
I knew the fact that you knew a snipper, ... was a joke. I know the situation is not yet great in most of the countries of Ex-USSR, but I didn't knew about your president. Even if your interested about other countries than yours, it's difficult to know about all of them. Thanks for the information.Quote:
Originally posted by dimm_coder
Ok, Elrond, it wasn't simple "game of words".
Of course, it was joke when Simon was asked by me about - if he know sniper. But in other it's not joke.
Do U really know about situation in our country???
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So this words(about sniper) mean that this is only one possible way to leave president post for him.
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Opps, I think that our KGB has other tasks that trying to find me for words, I have written here.
What's the name of your president? Can you get me some of his hair so I can try dark magic... ;)
What's your country like now? As it seems only one person leads it whether you want it or not, it seems very much like what old USSR was. Is it still the same or are there real changes? Is it better or worse than what is was?
Wrong. In canada, there is almost one gun per person. And only 70 muders per years, against 10 000 in the US. In some town, you must own a gun to live there. That's incredible.Quote:
Because just about anybody can own a gun. When a shop gets robbed in Europe, they alert the police and hope that these will catch the thief. In the US the shopkeeper will get out his sawed-off shotgun and blast at the guys while these blast at him.
Ok. Go and check. Maybe i'm wrong, but i do not think. More than 10 000 a year !!!Quote:
I'm not so sure about that statement. Although, I don't have the statistics in front of me right now
People acts the same as their government. That can be a reason.
Not that gun thing again :rolleyes:Quote:
In canada, there is almost one gun per person. And only 70 muders per years, against 10 000 in the US. In some town, you must own a gun to live there.
A new flame war is starting: Europe against USA. Who kills more, who is right, which is the bad guy? :D:DQuote:
Originally posted by Sylvain
People acts the same as their government. That can be a reason.
I don't think we should continue this way. Moderators won't be happy, and anyway, no one will win, as everyone is certain to be right. Finally, in a way, we're all as bad as the fundamentalists...
I don't approuve the fact that almost everyone owns a gun (except may be for hunting guns), but as long as they keep their guns in their countries, I just won't go live there. If they don't feel safe in Europe because they can't own a gun, they can stay where they are. And for people who don't care, they can go wherever they want and rule the world... :p
Sorry.Quote:
Not that gun thing again
No. I'm sorry. That's was just in relation with the movie. That's very important i think. But i just don't want to say who is bad or who is right. That's not the question. We already know that.Quote:
A new flame war is starting: Europe against USA. Who kills more, who is right, which is the bad guy?
But we cannot close our eyes and just say :"oh, no, not that question again". History show that if people had said that everytime, we surely woudn't be talking on this server today.
Well, if you want to talk about something else. That's ok. But remenber to go and see that film.
Well, maybe you are right solarflare... I'm not so sure... To illustrate the point that I'm not really sure, I'll quote some statistics for which I don't have any source neither reliable figures :p
But some report said that when your house gets robbed (this happens in pretty much every country) and you are at home, if you pull out a gun, your chances of getting murdered are about twice as likely than if you didn't pull out a gun (e.g. instead a cricket bat in the UK, a hard baguette in France or a bavarian beer mug in Germany)
Elrond, I'm not sure but this doesn't look likee a flame war to me ;) As far as I've noticed the poeple who tend to post on this thread don't tend to get into flame wars. Well, maybe except Simon with Xeon :p
That is because the topic has seldom been controversial, such as gun control in this and another thread, abortion, euthanasia and smoking in even others. If people however ask for comments on either of these subjects or criticize another country for its policy, it is logical people will defend their own viewpoints and that of their country, so ofcourse we are then started for a bit of a flame war. However, it becomes seldom rude, but always political. From personal experience I think it is best everybody can give his viewpoints once, but then it should be put to rest again. Everbody has the right upon his own opinion.Quote:
[i]Elrond, I'm not sure but this doesn't look likee a flame war to me ;) As far as I've noticed the poeple who tend to post on this thread don't tend to get into flame wars. Well, maybe except Simon with Xeon :p
Even Xeon. :D
no no no Elrond, he is horrible dark mag and it is dangerous even for U :)Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
What's the name of your president? Can you get me some of his hair so I can try dark magic... ;)
But thank U :)
Yes, it's of course better that at USSR time. Now we have more freedom of course than at old time. Because it's already not old time, it's not USSR. But our president very like USSR and it's like ideal for him. He want reconstruct big country. He want to unite with Russia. As it seems he want to became leader of this new country. But now with the situation at Russian , it's already impossible I think. Now Russia want to incorporate our republic and it want it for all times. ...Quote:
What's your country like now? As it seems only one person leads it whether you want it or not, it seems very much like what old USSR was. Is it still the same or are there real changes? Is it better or worse than what is was?
So it's difficult, and I don't think than other members interesting in it.
Any chance on that happening? I know that in Ukrain (ruled by that other dictator/president Kushma) some people are not happy with the separation from Russia while others are and hope to get in the EU and NATO as soon as possible.Quote:
Now Russia want to incorporate our republic and it want it for all times. ...
It is actually very interesting, but unfortunately I don't know much about it so I can just read what you say about this ;)Quote:
Originally posted by dimm_coder
So it's difficult, and I don't think than other members interesting in it.
For once I agree with Simon:rolleyes: . Maybe Simon should start a Junk thread where we all go and vent our frustrations and it should have a warning for the faint hearted to read with caution :eek:Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
If people however ask for comments on either of these subjects or criticize another country for its policy, it is logical people will defend their own viewpoints and that of their country, so ofcourse we are then started for a bit of a flame war. However, it becomes seldom rude, but always political. From personal experience I think it is best everybody can give his viewpoints once, but then it should be put to rest again. Everbody has the right upon his own opinion.
Even Xeon. :D
I am not happy with the separation from Russia. :mad: And many people here to.Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
Any chance on that happening? I know that in Ukrain (ruled by that other dictator/president Kushma) some people are not happy with the separation from Russia while others are and hope to get in the EU and NATO as soon as possible.
Simon (Yves if you interesting really to), in some near future when I find enough free time I can write here some aspects of real situation here ( Belarus vs Russia ) , etc. If it ' ll be interesting for U
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I'd like to know more about that myself.Quote:
Originally posted by dimm_coder
I am not happy with the separation from Russia. :mad: And many people here to.
Simon (Yves if you interesting really to), in some near future when I find enough free time I can write here some aspects of real situation here ( Belarus vs Russia ) , etc. If it ' ll be interesting for U
:)
Given your actual situation, would rather get back to Russia or would you prefer UE?
I'm actually rather interested in Russia. I'm hoping to go there on vacation once, to Moscow or St. Petersburg, or maybe Kiev in Ukrain, but my parents (read: mom) really don't want me to go because fear of crime. Is Minsk also as historically interesting and filled with musea and nice buildings?
By this I can tell you're originally French: European Union versus Union Européenne.Quote:
Given your actual situation, would rather get back to Russia or would you prefer UE?
That's not even true. Yes I'm french, and this is the French way of saying that, although I think French are not the only one the say it that way. I just don't really care about the order in which I put these two letter as most people will understand one way or the other, and as living in Ireland, I see it the orther way around most of the time. And I can't even type it your way as I have an Irish keyboard without an easy access to the 'é'.Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
By this I can tell you're originally French: European Union versus Union Européenne.
I have enough for the moment woth trying to understand more about Irish politics, that's a reason why I'm not looking that much what's happening in Eastern Europe. But it is becoming important as some countries are about to join us and Ireland will not get as much money. :(
OK, I'm wrong, sorry. I've formulated it incorrectly, and you seem to think I meant something with it. What I meant was you probably still have some French in you despite of you being immigrated, which is not a bad thing. Unless you consider the French as bad. :D No just kidding.
Well, I think with good reason. Ireland still isn't as poor as it used to be, while Greece and Portugal e.g. are probably worse and have more rights on money. I'm not familiar with the current Irish financial situation in respect to other European countries, maybe you can enlighten me on that part.Quote:
But it is becoming important as some countries are about to join us and Ireland will not get as much money.
Guys, as I have say early, today or may be tommorow evening, I ' ll write "report" about our country and near countries. About history, today times, etc. It's be exactly for the theme of this thread "Where we from".
And Simon, you mam's fear more unbased than has real base. ;) Here in Minsk U can have more safety than for ex. in USA.
So, comming soon ... :)
Same for me. I just forgot the smileys ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
OK, I'm wrong, sorry. I've formulated it incorrectly, and you seem to think I meant something with it. What I meant was you probably still have some French in you despite of you being immigrated, which is not a bad thing. Unless you consider the French as bad. :D No just kidding.
Of course the situatin of Ireland is much better now than it was a few years ago. It is probably better than some other countries now. On the other end, with the international crisis and the money that will not be as abundant as it was, the situation here may get worse quickly.Quote:
Well, I think with good reason. Ireland still isn't as poor as it used to be, while Greece and Portugal e.g. are probably worse and have more rights on money. I'm not familiar with the current Irish financial situation in respect to other European countries, maybe you can enlighten me on that part.
There's a lot of American companies here. With the crisis, a lot have closed or reduce the employees by a lot. It makes the situation not as good as it was.
When the country will get less money from the EU, I suppose it willl make it even less attractive. The result will probably be some difficulties, at least for some time. They got used to have a lot of help, and they will have to find their way with less help.
On the other end, the advantage of Ireland over most of the other countries is that it's an english language country, and there's a lot of Irish in the US. This might help the country to survive better, but who knows...
At least they said yes to the Nice treaty, so they won't be look as the black sheep of the EU. This position is still left to the English.
If the admission of new members goes wrong, they WILL be the black sheep, don't be so sure it will all go well. :(Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
At least they said yes to the Nice treaty, so they won't be look as the black sheep of the EU. This position is still left to the English.
Why would they be the black sheep if the adminssion of new members does not go well? :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
If the admission of new members goes wrong, they WILL be the black sheep, don't be so sure it will all go well. :(
Is the Ukraine still the breadbasket or it is now a basketcase ?Quote:
Guys, as I have say early, today or may be tommorow evening, I ' ll write "report" about our country and near countries.
Because they got to approve it in a referendum, they chose for it knowing well that this could have serious implications on e.g. farming policy, and the institution itself. In our country we did not have a referendum on whether or not to approve this, this was decided over our heads ("democracy at work"), while in Ireland the people chose. But that is just a personal opinion, it may very well be that nobody searches to blame anyone.Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
Why would they be the black sheep if the adminssion of new members does not go well? :confused:
As long as people here finally approved it, I don't see why it should be a bad thing. There as been other treaties for which some countries made a referendum and the others have the governement (assembly, ...) decide.Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
Because they got to approve it in a referendum, they chose for it knowing well that this could have serious implications on e.g. farming policy, and the institution itself. In our country we did not have a referendum on whether or not to approve this, this was decided over our heads ("democracy at work"), while in Ireland the people chose. But that is just a personal opinion, it may very well be that nobody searches to blame anyone.
Democracy is not working the same way in all European countries yet, so it seems fair to me that different countries have different ways of voting European decisions. There are countries where the vote is mandatory, and some where it is not. This can make a huge difference. But I don't think we should blame and country for that.
If people of Ireland had voted no this time, then the others could have blamed them. :)
I find something somewhat contradictory in your answer: you seem to suggest that a country should/could be blamed for voting against a proposal if it could turn out to be a good thing but should/could not be blamed for voting for a proposal that could turn out to give real problems.
And real problems - which may or may not be solved - seem to be coming as a result of approving that treaty. But enough about politics maybe.
Case of a good treaty:Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
I find something somewhat contradictory in your answer: you seem to suggest that a country should/could be blamed for voting against a proposal if it could turn out to be a good thing but should/could not be blamed for voting for a proposal that could turn out to give real problems.
If your boss says: “I’ll give all of you a raise in salary, but the condition is that all of you vote yes for it. If one vote NO, no one will have the raise.” If all vote yes, no one will be blamed. If only one vote no, all the other will probably blame him. At the end of the day, the one that voted yes could have been right because it may have saved the company, but no one may ever know… :confused: Yet, the other will blame him for not saying yes to something the COULD have been good. And it fair in my opinion.
Case of a bad treaty:
If your boss says: “I’ll give all of you a cut in salary, but the condition is that all of you vote yes for it. If one vote NO, no one will have the raise.” If only one vote no, there’s little chance that anyone blame him. And if every one vote yes, you’re not entitled to blame any one else. As long as YOU have voted yes, you can't honestly blame the others for voting yes. :)
Same for the Nice treaty. I didn’t say it’s good or bad that they voted yes. I just said that the fact that Ireland voted yes shouldn't make them look as a black sheep. As all the others have voted yes (whatever means they have used: government, assembly), they can’t honestly blame Ireland for voting yes. And even you as an individual, it would not be fair to blame Ireland more than to blame your own country if you disagree with this treaty. :p :p You can still blame everyone, and there's probably quite a few people who do... :D
By the way, why is it always the second case (ask for a salary cut), and not the first case that happens in commercial companies? :(:(
Dude?! You got luxembourgh, the smallest dot on the planet and you don't have the netherlands (nor belgium) :-(. We're popular! or atleast, we'd like to think so hehe.
You seem to forget that YvesM, the only one from Luxembourgh, is moderator. "Vriendjespolitiek" is not a Belgian monopoly, it appears. :DQuote:
Originally posted by freaky_NL
Dude?! You got luxembourgh, the smallest dot on the planet and you don't have the netherlands (nor belgium) :-(. We're popular! or atleast, we'd like to think so hehe.
For the non Dutch : Vriendjespolitiek = political favoritism
Well, between the 3 of us we represent the BeNeLux hahaQuote:
You seem to forget that YvesM, the only one from Luxembourgh, is moderator. "Vriendjespolitiek" is not a Belgian monopoly, it appears.
Hi when is Sonu back ?
Sonu has still around 3 weeks of holidays to go. :cool:
I don't know if he will even try to read all the posts, except if he had some time to read them during his holidays... :D
I think we should not edit the poll (again). Switzerland is also not listed, if that makes you feel better.Quote:
Originally posted by freaky_NL
Dude?! You got luxembourgh, the smallest dot on the planet and you don't have the netherlands (nor belgium) :-(. We're popular! or atleast, we'd like to think so hehe.
<--------Switzerland
No it doesn't :-PQuote:
I think we should not edit the poll (again). Switzerland is also not listed, if that makes you feel better.
Actually I don't really care hehe, listing all countries would be too much, if you take the 2nd and 3rd world countries in consideration I believe there are over 300 countries :/