Ratio of VC/C & VB

In my experience, restricting yourself to one language is just stupid. Atleast if you want work, and want a broad scope of knowledge and know-how.

VC++ allows for sleek, fast applications of any scale without any pesky OCX files, and whatnot. One can still use DLLs. Happy.

VB allows for smaller applications, with OCX files unfortunately, but it's very fast, and does the job. I don't know anyone with a computer that could tell the difference in speed between a small VC++ app, and a small VB app.

VBScript, a derivative of VB, is used a **** of a lot in ASP, hence that is a good language to know if you want anything to do with the hyped up MS Web Services. Also XML, and VB. NET.

Java I haven't even touched yet, but I guess the same could be said there. Works for all types of apps, and on the 'net, if you bother learning the script version.

So. In conclusion: I wouldn't downgrade any language, at the benefit of another. They're all useable for different things, and all have their pros and cons. So why bicker? "Mazda!" "No, Ford!" Yeah. Whatever. :)

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Originally posted by Sonu Kapoor


Yeah, of course. As a moderator you have to see the threads from an another view, than a user. You have take care of all things, also reply users and check the threads....and much more.

-Sonu

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Do you get paid for this or it is a hobby and do you also do other things like maintain the database and develop the site :cool:

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Do you get paid for this or it is a hobby and do you also do other things like maintain the database and develop the site

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The money is not important for me. Its a passion and a hobby. Sometimes i develope sites, like the Visual C++ FAQ, but thats me and Gabriel.

Sonu

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The money is not important for me.

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OK I will PM you my Swiss Bank Account :D

Wow! So, you actually get money from being a moderator????!!! Cool! Think of the stuff you can buy for your female friends with that money......oohhh......they'll go crazy for ye', really!!!!!!!! :):D

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The money is not important for me. Its a passion and a hobby. Sometimes i develope sites, like the Visual C++ FAQ, but thats me and Gabriel.

Sonu

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Not even a token? Let's say just for the portion of electricity bills and/or internet connection?

I didnt said that i get any money !!! But enough for now about that topic. Dont mind guys, but i dont like to talk about that topic.

-Sonu

sure man. sorry.

Sonu my good pal.......what u really need is a cup of hot chocolate and chicken chop with french fries, bread, beans and sauce, complete with soup. Don't be too hard on yourself, cos' u know u're da' man. :):D:);)

I also think that these languages were more different years ago than now, VB support API and can do most of the things VC can, maybe one day we'll have only one langage!! :eek:

Well anyway, I wanted to add something I found in MSDN (like everytime I was searching something completely different), it is an artical that talk about p-code, and the article writer (Miller Freeman) have created a small primer number program and shows the results (he also show the code for both VB5 version and C version) :

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From MSDN

[...]the results on an 90MHz Pentium computer when computing prime numbers between 1 and 50,000[...]

Code Type Elapsed time Percentage of (in seconds) p-code speed

Within the Visual Basic environment 134.63 79%

Compiled p-code 106.72 100%

Compiled native code 40.15 265%

C program 35.12 305%

This article is reproduced from Microsoft Systems Journal. Copyright © 1997 by Miller Freeman, Inc.

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As you see, C program RULES in that case, I can't find the article on microsoft WebSite, but it said brief quotations can be used ;)

JeffB

Maybe "rules" is putting it a little strongly. With so small a difference, maybe it just advises. lol

In any case, this shows that there is little performance value (at least in CPU bound apps) to C++ over VB.

Can we not program in C without the use of pointers? Isn't this pointer is just a tool to speed up execution but something you can do without if you can be contented with a slower spped?

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Maybe "rules" is putting it a little strongly. With so small a difference, maybe it just advises. lol

In any case, this shows that there is little performance value (at least in CPU bound apps) to C++ over VB.

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Oh yeah, I may have badly expressed, I mean that there is definitively a performance lost by using VB ( well it was VB5 ), but since it was just only calculations and that the C code was not using any pointer, it's still interesting to know, if you have a strong calculation program to do, that C might be a better choice. It's just a comment, and I know that with the computers of today, there is few program that require extremely optimized algorithm, as it was the case before. :)

JeffB

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Can we not program in C without the use of pointers? Isn't this pointer is just a tool to speed up execution but something you can do without if you can be contented with a slower spped?

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As a so-called C++ programmer myself, I really am totally ashamed that I don't even what pointers are really for, even though I've been coding them for ages.
Unlike what AIO says, I don't think pointers have anything much to do with speed execution or something. ;)

If u C++ folks don't mind, maybe you can breifly tell me what pointers are for and their main usage?

This is 1001% embarrasing, u know. And no, please don't laugh. :):D

And AIO! Whether in C or C++, u MUST deal with pointers, because all the classes and functions in those C/C++ libraries makes use of pointers, and lots of them requires you to pass in pointer variables as function parameters etc. That's why. :):D
Even if you don't use those libraries, at some point in life, you still must use pointers in your code.

Xeon, I am inspired by your quote. Why, all my life I have been laughed at, beaten, and then shunned, having this process repeated over and over again wherever I go. But now, you have just refueled the box of candles that I had run out of. I can do it. I believe in myself! ...All right, I am just joking :D

Anyways, for my question: why use C when you can use C++? I don't understand. Isn't C++ just an extension of C? Then C++ must have all of the properties C has, plus more. If so, then how does C "rule"? Please excuse my ignorance.

Fierytycoon