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That's it, all great love stories end tragically.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
Then, secondhand Hollywood scenarists re-write the Franz and Sissi's history to add happy ending according to the american public taste. :D
i heard the rule is now changed: the last one loses.
Oracle? What version? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Payne
OK I saved you
I gues the new 10 Grid Version...Quote:
Originally Posted by ovidiucucu
I saved you also
And I do not have enough harddisk space to save you...Quote:
Originally Posted by T.G.
Who told that? Your colleagues from Maria Montessori's kindergarten?Quote:
Originally Posted by T.G.
http://www.infed.org/images/montess.jpg
Do not believe. They lie.
a senior person said me. that can not be lie.
Only Spork and MacGyver to trust!Quote:
Originally Posted by T.G.
I give my word! My word is stronger than oak!
And the whirlwind ... is in the thorn tree!Quote:
Originally Posted by T.G.
1. You can't build a very strong bridge from your words.Quote:
Originally Posted by T.G.
2. MacGyver could build a strong bridge from chewing gum.
3. Chewing gum is stronger than your words.
The moral of the story is: Always remember to brush after every meal.
I'm hungry.
Chewing gum lacks the modulus of elasticity and/or compressive strength for any kind of bridge construction purposes. And it's tackyness just won't cut it for modern design criteria... even for MacGyver... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom Frohman
Do you want to say that MacGyver cannot handle this? :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by gurleygirl
/joking :)
Blasphemer!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by gurleygirl
Anything is possible for the great and powerful MacGyver!
Yes Tom! You are a true prophet of the great and wonderful MacGyver!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Frohman
Let's hail MacGyver!
Tom, if MacGuyver is all-powerful can he make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Frohman
Well, actually this may be a question for everybody...
Out of chewing gum?Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
Can you make rocks? I guess if you had a pressure machine and some sediment then you could press the little bits together sooooooo much that they'd form a rock. Or you can stretch the definition of rock and throw in concrete and pour yourself a big ol' rock.
He's ok... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
@cilu: Thanks d00d, a lot of people do say that. I have my dad to thank for that ( :D ). Sorry, I misread what you meant when you mentioned Che Guevarra. And yeah, i agree... commies have done that to the world. And I will continue to post. Btw, how many days left?? :D :D
@Max Payne: Congrats on being the last to post on the 100th page. But sorry, not the last one to post on this thread. :D ;) You can still try. Btw, maybe you should try upgrading that oracle. ;)
I think... yes and no. Yes, he can make a rock that heavy. No, he might not be able to lift it w/ his bare hands... but im sure he'll be able to make a device/tool he'll use to lift it. (He always does find a way to solve things). :D :D :pQuote:
Originally Posted by cilu
Cruel aliens want to kill and eat Toby the bunny rabbit !!!
here's my idea how macguyver would make a rock:
1. take chewing gum
2. chew the gum and make it the right shape using his fingers ( :sick: )
3. wrap it in the chewing gum paper again
4. attach sewing cotton to the gum-thing (maybe take it from underwear...)
5. drown the gum thing in a HUGE water reservoir
6. the big pressure down in the reservoir will make the gum a rock (voilá!)
7. pull the rock out of the reservoir using the sewing cotton (the cotton did not become a rock, by the way)
of course, macguyver would not use the gum-rock as a rock, but as a mirror because of the shiny gum paper he used to wrap ;)
and of course, he could lift it.
Hmm.. interesting. Good point too. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by reset-leo
crazy people everywhere *ShakeHead*Quote:
Originally Posted by ovidiucucu
/poor toby...
Quote:It's not a joke!
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/gra...bunny27big.jpg
/yummy, yummy!
That was a very serious question. Let me rephrase: "If GOD is all-powerful, can he make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it (no matter by which means)?"Quote:
Originally Posted by che_rish
Oh okay. Sorry. My answer: No. Because no matter how heavy it is for us humans, he'll still be able to lift it. (does that make sense?? you're making me confused. or maybe its the effect of a long day's work... :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
But he cannot SAVE TOBY.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoHero
/already a lot of gulls donated almost $25,000 (good to buy and eat many, many tobys) :D
No, no! Why are you relating it to humans? I was talking about god. Can he make a rock so heavy (for him) that he cannot lift it?Quote:
Originally Posted by che_rish
One thing i dont get is... even if let's say.. I donate money to save Toby. What's my assurance that he still won't eat Toby after he gets the money... right? Did people really donate? Wow. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ovidiucucu
No. (Coz, he can still lift it).Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
You made me wonder though.. why ask this question? What point are you trying to make? :confused: :D
There are many stupid people on the world. Important thing is to find them. Apparently this save-toby-guy found a lot of them... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by che_rish
That God is not all-powerful... ;) (You said no. He can not... so he's not all-powerful)Quote:
Originally Posted by che_rish
One of hardest thing He ever tried is to set the Faeroese locale on a Windows XP - Japanese version.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
Oh man... I knew it!! No fair. You made my head ache... how about this type of answer --> Yes he can make it, and yes he can still lift it. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by cilu
// If the answer is Yes he can make a rock so heavy he can't lift it, then he's still not all-powerful, coz he can't lift it. :p
// Nice one.
... and that way the Northern Mariana Islands were born. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by che_rish
Hahaha.. I guess so. ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ovidiucucu
what if our small mind is not able to reach a thinking to that extent, a lot of wonders coms when we look at this kind of topic, but not all can be logically or scientifically explained by the human brains...Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
/why ar we talking about GOD all of a sudden ?? :confused:
I am MacGyver!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Payne
:D :D LMAO!!....:D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by T.G.
The answer is simple. Yes he could make a rock so heavy that he could nott lift it. His human strength is limited. On the other hand he couldn't make a rock so big that he couldn't lift it with a machine made from chewing gum and stale bread. The end result is that the rock will move.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
Let it rock!
This is tipically priests answer when they don't know how to answer a question. Are you a priest Max? Answers like "that is God's plan" or "God's paths are hidden" doesn't do for me. I disagree with that we cannot comprehend God. That's what some people, I already told who, want us to believe. God is a hoax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Payne
Is that a rule about it? :confused: We can talk about anything, except for US elections and Iraq. :D (I'm serious)Quote:
/why ar we talking about GOD all of a sudden ?? :confused:
no, I'm not a priest..Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
recently I got sucked into a conversation like this with some unbelivers asking to prove that GOD exists, and it went endlessly.. so, I'm not fond of doing it again,
no, no rules, but I thought w were talking about MacGyver and now suddently to god... hmmm why can't talk about Iraq??Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
/I thought cilu was very stressed with his job... :D
I believe that we can comprehend God. But, are you saying you believe that God is a hoax? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
/ Im not trying to start a long discussion here, okay? Im just making sure if Cilu's making a statement or.. if that's part of what other people wants other people to believe. ;)
I think that cilu did nothing more than invited you to think...Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Payne
That did sometimes also Thomas (the Doubting/the Unbeliever) and the other Apostles as well. ;)
/Oups! I'm good to be a priest... :D
yes, I know.... :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ovidiucucu
What is happening here? I am dizzy..
Well, when I'll have my book about god published I'll send you a sign copy. It'salready written and pending for publishing. It's called the "biggest hoax: the bible".Quote:
Originally Posted by che_rish
Here is a quote from chapter 2:
I'll have it probably printed in may or june... ;)Quote:
A god that is all-knowing means a god that knows every single thing that ever was, is and ever will be. He knows what you are going to do five minutes from now on, he knows what are you thinking every moment and even knows all paths on all the atoms on the universe. I find this scary. And yet, people are talking about a divine plan. We are served this answer, “it is God’s plan”, every time we ask questions that someone – and I mean a believer – cannot answer. But those who serve you the “God’s plan” or “divine plan” cliché are unaware that a divine plan is contradictory to God’s omniscience. A plan is:
- A series of steps to be carried out or goals to be accomplished
- An arrangement scheme
- Scale drawing of a structure
A plan refers to any detailed method, formulated beforehand, for doing or making something. We make a plan for a trip, preparing for instance the road to take, the hotel to stay in and how much money can afford to spend. We make plans before building a house for instance and put it in various schemes and order lists. And we do so because our knowledge is limited. Without a plan the vacation would probably be a ruin. Imagine wanting to go somewhere to spend the vacation but just going without having in mind a destination or a place to stay. Imagine beginning to build a house without making plans. I would not stay for a minute in such a house. Without a plan we wouldn’t know were to build the foundation or how high to make the walls or where to put the windows; but all these because our knowledge is limited. An omniscient being can build a house without a plan because it knows everything. It knows where the windows are to be placed and what is the path for the electric wires. God does not require a plan since his omniscience doesn’t know uncertainty. He just knows. So a divine plan is hence out of question if we accept divine omniscience.
A good question that can be asked now is: does an omniscient God have thoughts? Someone that knows anything and everything knows his own thoughts also. For what good thoughts if he already knew everything? One might say that God knows that an apple will fall from the tree at a certain moment, but still thinking about it. The question is what good to think about it? Maybe change it to make it fall some other time? If so that means God already knew he would change it, since he knows everything from eternity to eternity. Nothing is hidden to him. There is no hazard; there is no change of plan since he already would knew the changes. He would knew that he think about changing the moment the apple falls from the tree, so what good thinking about it? It is most likely that an omniscient God would not require thoughts since they have no meaning to him. An omniscient being is handicapped by its own knowledge.
An omniscient God would know his own decisions in the future. He shouldn’t have any decision to make or change something. Otherwise it means that he is neither omniscient nor omnipotent. As already said he probably can’t even think. And since he cannot do anything it is probable that he might not exist at all.
God’s omniscience is contradictory with other attributes assigned to him. If God is omniscient he cannot know reactionary states, like feelings. Love, hate, fear, frustration, disappointment and despair are unknown to God. You fear something because you don’t know how something is going to end. You feel disappointment because you expected something to end in some way and your expectations were not met; and this also because you didn’t know how they are going to end. But God knows everything; he knows the end of every action so there is no disappointment for him; nor any other reactionary state.
Actually, the antitheist have argued that the necessarily omniscient, necessarily omnipotent and necessarily omni benevolent God does not exist. Their argument can be formulated like this:
This states an inconsistency between necessary omniscience and necessary omnipotence. If God is omniscient he needs to understand these concepts fully. But God as an omnipotent being cannot fall into the weakness of such experiences. Therefore either the premises are not true, so God is not omniscient or omnipotent or both, or such God does not exist. There were argues of this antitheist argument that say God can posses such concepts by directly perceiving the content of human consciousness. The problem with this objection is that it makes God dependant on human existence and the experiences of humans. But one of the other attributes of God is self-existence; he does not require anything else to exist. Thus the contra argument fails. It had also been said that God can know fear, frustration and despair by imagining or inferring what would it be for a creature to have such feelings. But this contradicts the omniscience of God, for he knows all things just as they are, without the need or use of logic. God never comes to know a proposition by inferring it from another. Hence, this counter argument also fails. To dismiss the argument one has to prove that the proposition stated above doesn’t hold.Quote:
For any s, s fully comprehends the concepts fear, frustration, and despair only if s has actually experienced fear, frustration and despair.
so this means existence and nonexistence are the same things for God?