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Kurt Godel, among the many things he did, provided one of the
few solutions to the general relativity equations. His solution
does in fact provide for the possibility of time travel, but is
not seen as a realistic solution. By the way, his favorite movie
was Snow White and he starved to death because his germ
phobia prohibited him from cooking for himself when his wife
was ill in the hospital. Some tidbits on one of giants of 20th
century thought.
The beautiful concept of Event Horizon (EH) is the most appropriate answer here. As far as i came to know about BH, the time changes its speed [oh how bizarre is that]. So, someone stading on Event Horizon will see things differently, than someone who is standing far away from there and one who is inside BH.Quote:
How can you notice time-dilation effects unless you're looking in from the outside?
I also remember Roger Penrose's comments on time-dilation. he was giving an example of a Rocket being launched from some planet, and being watched from Earth. so, at the time, when the rocket is being launched, the people on earth would be only seeing how the preparations are going on... there is whole theory presented my Penrose. Hope I would see it again and write it down a little to describe time-dilation.
I know there is time-dilation, what I meant by that is with only one vantage point, there is no reference.
eww, I want in....
A black hole is a object who's mass is so great that light can not escape it gravitational pull...
If you believe in space time being curved, then you would look at it as the gravitational pull is so great that space folds in on itself so light never makes it out and if you believe that photons have a mass, then gravity would pull the photon back down....
But either way, we have seen partials gravitate towards each other (ie. the planet earth you're sitting on), we also know that the more mass the planetary object (ie, sun vs Jupiter) that the greater the gravitation pull is going to be.
And we have seen light bend around planets and around our own sun, so we know that gravity effects it.
The only two things you can have for that are:
A. Space time is curved and photons don't have mass (yet they for some reason have momentum....)
B. Or you believe that photons have mass (which explains the momentum) and we already know what gravity does to objects with mass....
So eventually gravity will get so intense that light wont escape it...
And as for the time dilation nonsense, that's just silly. Einstein's theories and the various others are speculation about things that he and others couldn't possibly understand. Unfortunately, this is one of those cases where science and religion intersect. When people follow blindly just so they can be closer to 'god'.... or in science's case, follow blindly cause they can feel they are smarter...write a pile of dribble down on a piece of paper to confuse the **** out of everybody ( or in my case post it on the internet :) ) and they call you smart....I think thats sad....
:) Thanks, I love to vent about modern science misconceptions
aaah, Solar, can you be more clear. At this time of my day, my mind becomes soooo .... [hehehehe, understand?]Quote:
Originally posted by SolarFlare
I know there is time-dilation, what I meant by that is with only one vantage point, there is no reference.
1 <-> well, how silly the idea might be? all i would comment is that certain things just happen. there are perfect theories explaining them.Quote:
Originally posted by oktronic
1. And as for the time dilation nonsense, that's just silly.
2. Unfortunately, this is one of those cases where science and religion intersect.
2 <-> Science and religion came long way. I think the base of science had been religion. The Gods which turned out to be plantes and natural happening whic turned out to scientific. and there is no such intersection in here. the only difference is the way they are Representing this view. does it makes any sense? the ulitmate destination is same. some call God, some call "Ulitmate intelligence" and some like me simply call it "singularity".
In MMORPG terms, a blackhole is where your character enters an area between sub servers, thus a backup would have to be restored. Meaning it's not a valid or existant location you can enter.
In Ultima Online (a MMORPG), this was a well kept secret for duping items. You'd give a friend a really expensive item and then blackhole yourself. Basically by getting your character stuck when switching to another sub server (Example: Getting disconnected right when you're switching sub servers).
In doing so, the server notices (after the next downtime) that your character is at an invalid location, thus has to restore a backup of your character. In doing so, re-creates any items you've given to anyone else.
There is no way for the staff to know whether or not you tried to blackhole yourself, it's just a bug that occurs in some MMORPGs.
Just my two copper pieces...
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0309/09blackhole/
Chandra 'hears' a black hole
NASA NEWS RELEASE
Posted: September 9, 2003
NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory detected sound waves, for the first time, from a super-massive black hole. The "note" is the deepest ever detected from an object in the universe. The tremendous amounts of energy carried by these sound waves may solve a longstanding problem in astrophysics.
The black hole resides in the Perseus cluster, located 250 million light years from Earth. In 2002, astronomers obtained a deep Chandra observation that shows ripples in the gas filling the cluster. These ripples are evidence for sound waves that have traveled hundreds of thousands of light years away from the cluster's central black hole.
At the center of the Milky Way, a black hole 2.6 million times as massive as our Sun gobbles gas and stars. This "food" is thought to swirl into the center, like muck going down a bathtub drain.
But all this swirling should create lots of friction, which should generate enormous energy. The black hole should, therefore, be very, very bright -- in visible light, X-rays and other wavelengths.
do you agree?
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0309...seusripple.jpg
does show the black hole as white ... maybe u are right
ahh Milky ways...almost as good as a snickers...Quote:
Originally posted by Andy Tacker
Milky Way
/Still liking my theory on black holes...
Interesting...
Them snickers used to be marathons over here.Quote:
Originally posted by Mick
ahh Milky ways...almost as good as a snickers...
Favourite snack to be eating as you pass the event horizon?
Now with more nuts!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Dave McLelland
Them snickers used to be marathons over here.
Favourite snack to be eating as you pass the event horizon?
Look this is illogical...I mean I saw the movie...we all go insane and there is a lot of blood and somehow some of us escape....
When I say event horizon I mean event horizon not event horizon.Quote:
Originally posted by Mick
Now with more nuts!!!
Look this is illogical...I mean I saw the movie...we all go insane and there is a lot of blood and somehow some of us escape....
Clear or clearly insane?
Ohh that event horizon....I saw that too I mean I was right up on it about to tackle it and...it said look I'm an event horizon...I thought it was a trick question...so I let it go...Quote:
Originally posted by Dave McLelland
When I say event horizon I mean event horizon not event horizon.
Clear or clearly insane?