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BTW I don't think there is any reason to feel guilty if one eats chicken or meat, it's nature's way to maintain things, animals do eat other animals, they eat humans, why humans should not eat them? It's not like the chicken/pigs are becoming rare species.
The only reason could be health related problems, if there are any(I believe there is none).
Not everybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krishnaa
Personally, I don't eat meat everyday. But I eat meat or fish several days a week.
A correlation doesn't prove any implication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Igor Soukhov
For example, there is a correlation between having a costy car and being rich, but you will never become rich by buying a costy car...
Similarly, there may be something correlated with high IQ that increases the probability of being veg.
In fact, low social class people are probably less likely to think about what they're eating than high class people. And high class people get a better education what gives them a bit better results at IQ tests.
Cultural factors in high IQ "families" can also be an explanation factor.
Other explanations are possible.
Assuming we want to prove that veg diet increases IQ, we would have to do a test such as:
Taking randomly X persons in the whole population.
Giving a veg diet to a group of X/2 persons.
Giving a non-veg diet to the other group of X/2 persons.
After some time, compaing the IQ in the two groups.
If we want to prove that high IQ implies having a veg diet, we would.
Take randomly X children in the whole population.
Decrease IQ in a group of X/2 children (that's not ethically possible).
And, after some time, compare the proportion of vegs in the two groups.
Yep, exactly. :thumb: :) Unfortunately, this simple fact is so often misunderstood or overlooked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKoko
Yeah, and those animals sell kilo's of human flesh in a meat market.. don't they? :D You silly humans! :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Krishnaa
I said.. we and you pointed to me. :) I remember a joke on this... there was a guy in our class who was our class monitor.. he would always use the word "we" and had got habituated. Once he had to propose to a girl and he said.. ".... <some stupid stuff>.. we love you". :D Really, you may have heard this joke but this happened in our class once. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shuja Ali
Very funny! :D Nice one! But the world is so cruel that he might not have had wanted the chicken to come out and see their family being massacred! :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shuja Ali
Oh.. those termatologies... :D I am so confused... what was the question of this thread? Vegan or Vegetarian? I am a vegetarian... but I am in no way a Vegan.. I cannot live that way.. I mean clothes even? How would one live without clothes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guido
I can imagine what kind of beating he would have got from that girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
By being naked, I guess :pQuote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
Anyways, as far as I know being a veggie/non-veggie or Vegan(which is new to me) does not affect ones personality. It is just the eating habits that are different, the human being itself is same.
But I guess, NV's are of a little violent/rude mindset. More generally though. I don't know if I am true.. but it is like some people say that if you have control over your tongue (related to eating habits ;)) then you are a better person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuja Ali
The thoughts which originate in your head are a little influenced by what you eat. Food for thought as they rightly say. How many of you do agree with this?
Interesting link : a list of vegan/V musicians... - http://www.angelfire.com/art2/veggies/musicians.html
A more exhaustive list - http://www.ivu.org/people/
Now, what do you have to say? :D ;) Some names are missing from there which you can find at the following link - http://www.codeguru.com/forum/poll.p...lts&pollid=554 :D
Well this exactly is an old saying. But I have seen veggies who get furious for nothing and I have seen non-veggies who are cool and calm.Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
Saying that it's ok because animals do it is not a valid argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krishnaa
We, civilised humans, are supposed to be smart, trusting God and not falling into following blindly instincts.
Animal behaviors are usually (at least in my culture) deemed as vile and often bad... fighting to death for females and food or doing other things that humans are not supposed to do.
Animals are not example of high morality... They're however often examples of low morality.
Usually, when someone say that someone else is a son of dog/pig/other_animal it's an insult.
Consequently, I think that we can't say that something is good or acceptable because animals do it.
Either way, it's an endless debate, nothing can be established.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuja Ali
No no...I am not saying "it's ok because animals do it". I am saying, it's the natural way, every other species do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKoko
This is funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKoko
Okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKoko
Okay....Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKoko
Still I believe it's natural to eat animal meat, there is nothing wrong in that.
And about the religion, beliefs and it's connection to being civilised.....I think thats pointless or another never ending debate.
People talking about "civilized human behaviour" always make me chuckle. :DIt is ironic that while this is true for most cultures in today's world, our so-called civilized cultures still actually practise processes involving animals that could be considered pretty inhuman if not barbaric...Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKoko
Here are some examples derived from my experiences:
In Europe:
In Asia:
- Foie Gras - a delicacy that involves making ducks sick by force-feeding many times a day to make their bodies bloat and the liver sick. This liver (of a sick duck) is actually a delicacy.
- Caviar: Fishes are killed just to get their precious eggs on the market. An entire large fish yields only a few grams of this so-called precious food.
I often feel that the behaviour of civilized humans is often a lot less acceptable than the primitive behaviour of animals...
- Elephants made to walk around the streets of crowded cities that the mahouth can make some money.
- Monkeys made to perform to please onlookers.
You know what is civilized about that? A big fish will eat those fishes alive with their jaws... While in this case NV will eat with a knife and a fork on a nicely dressed dining table with family. :D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
Are we talking about animal rights now? ;) Well, that would be an interesting discussion as well.. :wave:
Animals that eat human beings are usually lion, leopard, tiger etc. They are all protected species. If they catch you trying to eat one of them you will go to jail. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Krishnaa
Speaking of milk. I have a cousin who joined a monastery (called ashram in hindi) and became a trainee swami or balyogi or some such thing. One day he came to our house and some one asked him if he would like his tea with milk and sugar. He said he never drank milk. He went on to say that the calf is entitled to all of it's mother's milk and robbing the calf of it's mother's milk (or participating in the process by being a consumer of milk or milk products) is one of the worst possible sins you can commit. It is more or less the same reasoning followed by the Vegans (i.e. a secular moral viewpoint), but I was surprised to hear the same argument used in a religious context.
Anything that has got life in it or would become & is kileld for food is is considered a NV diet. Now, plants dont have life, atleast not physically. And its waste to let them die without it being used. Its difference in case of animals. So, Milk is a by product and so is a Veg. But Cow, eggs, fish etc. is NOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator