Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by PadexArt
Marius, that's hardly the point. I have almost 3K rep points and I hate each and every single one of them. But at some point I was enthusiastic about them too ( giving and receiving). IMHO the rep system is the worst thing that happened to CG in the past 3 years.
Actually, I understand and to an extent agree with that. Though, I would say the worst thing that has happened to CG is the Flash Advertisements.
The problem I see with the reputation system is that it creates competition in the form of absolute comparison (like one possible in a mathematics examination) on a point-to-point basis possible. This would be OK save for the fact that it does not ensure that all good answers are equally rewarded.
In principle, I am pro-competition, but I dislike one performed on unfair grounds.
For instance - why should a member with more posts give more points? Why should a member who has made his Id in the year 1999 give 7 points with 10 posts in hand, but another that registered last month with a 100 posts give 1 point only? Neither the technical quality of the post being rated nor that of the member who is rating is a function of the years spent with CG. Ditto for posts at CG. Right?
I also do think that the reputation system makes answering questions lucrative to an extent - at least for new comers and in that sense it may play a positive role. On the other hand, this incentive is also applicable to members who post for the heck of the points and this incentive ends up serving a non-constructive purpose.
The only advantage of the reputation system I see is the feedback (especially, the comments) as they do really play a completely constructive role - at least for me. In a hypothetical situation, if we were able to successfully do away with the points-system much to my liking, I would still love to keep the comments-feedback intact.
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by Siddhartha
On the other hand, this incentive is also applicable to members who post for the heck of the points and this incentive ends up serving a non-constructive purpose.
Exactly. And this is not done by just 1-2 members. Just count the "rate me" signatures. :(
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Originally Posted by Siddhartha
The only advantage of the reputation system I see is the feedback (especially, the comments) as they do really play a completely constructive role - at least for me.
How about leaving the feedback part but stripping the green dots. And make the green dots post specific ( not the whole thread).
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by Sid
Though, I would say the worst thing that has happened to CG is the Flash Advertisements.
I totally agree with you here.
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Originally Posted by Sid
The problem I see with the reputation system is that it creates competition in the form of absolute comparison (like one possible in a mathematics examination) on a point-to-point basis possible. This would be OK save for the fact that it does not ensure that all good answers are equally rewarded.
Yes and no. You can't see how many rep points a member has, only some thresholds, like +100, +200, +1000, + 3000, etc. It's somehow a "fuzzy" system.
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
Sid has good suggestions wrt points that people give away.. That is one thing that I think most would agree upon (even though it may cause a few more ripple effects).
Another thing that can be done is not let the same post get rated by 2 different people.
If they can be made forum specific - it would simply be splendid, IMO. :)
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by exterminator
I wasn't here to start the C++ Aha moments thread when the first homo erectus said Aha!
Sorry Abhishek, my friend! I had not any malicious intention.
Anyhow, more and more scientists sustain that first homo erectus didn't say "Aha!.." but "Uhu!..". :D ;)
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
I think these two points discuss the same line:
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Originally Posted by PadexArt
How about leaving the feedback part but stripping the green dots. And make the green dots post specific ( not the whole thread).
Removing the dots may not solve the problem completely...
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Originally Posted by cilu
You can't see how many rep points a member has, only some thresholds, like +100, +200, +1000, + 3000, etc. It's somehow a "fuzzy" system.
Again, yes and no... :)
Apart from green dots and their staged increments that indicate reputation, one can always sort members on reputation and find the absolute ranking out.
The points and dots in a competitive system only serve the purpose of establishing an absolute ranking, and this information is made available for viewing, in addition to the green dots.
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by exterminator
Another thing that can be done is not let the same post get rated by 2 different people.
Which can be good, reasonable, genuine arguments for that?
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by Siddhartha
Apart from green dots and their staged increments that indicate reputation, one can always
sort members on reputation and find the absolute ranking out.
The points and dots in a competitive system only serve the purpose of establishing an absolute ranking, and this information is made available for viewing, in addition to the green dots.
The green dots and all their baggage should be removed as I see absolutely no use in ranking. Just possible abuse and useless posting. I respect people for the quality of their posts and not for their green dots and/or ranking.
EDIT: ... but I'm growing tired to read posts made for the sake of post count and/or rep points.
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by ovidiucucu
Which can be good, reasonable, genuine arguments for that?
Are you asking me? I am not asking for removing the comments as well.. let them get rated twice or more but no numerical value should get added.. like if two people rated - the person would see two comments that he would have had got and just 1 point added.
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by exterminator
Are you asking me? I am not asking for removing the comments as well.. let them get rated twice or more but no numerical value should get added.. like if two people rated - the person would see two comments that he would have had got and just 1 point added.
You mean, 1 point or points from the first person that rated (as it originally seemed)?
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by Siddhartha
You mean, 1 point or points from the first person that rated (as it originally seemed)?
Yeah.. but I don't know what it originally was. Everyone having 1 reputation strength and only the first rating for a post count.. but the comments should be kept..
Is that something that you like? Then may be I will put this up in the Feedback forum for Brad to take a look at...
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by exterminator
Everyone having 1 reputation strength and only the first rating for a post count.. but the comments should be kept..
I'd say axe the points altogether or at least don't add them up in the user's profile. Let the post have ranking and not you. So in 2 years when someone reads the post and there is an indication that the post was good/helpful.
Feedback is great and should be kept but not the green monsters.
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by exterminator
Everyone having 1 reputation strength and only the first rating for a post count.. but the comments should be kept..
Is that something that you like?
I don't see it solve any problem caused by the existence of points and I don't see the proposal mitigate them either.
What will happen is that good posts and average posts will all carry the same number of points. We may end up creating new problems without addressing the root cause.
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
:D :D :D
Yes, Kill the monster.. I won't speak anymore against the killing.. :D
But I admit, it is fun! And believe it or not - be it right or wrong.. :D I would leave the day reps are gone.. atleast from the discussion forums...
I will re-activate my C++ blog and start posting there and add value to it.. I will have my own questions and my own answers.. my own small little articles.. it will be more fun.. plus I will not need to search through millions of CG posts for something I wrote - I can easily find it on my blog.. I will surely gather readership and may be then I shall start hosting Ads myself :D :D
People may complain about those Ads, but I will keep them... I will have rating system as well - I will rate all my posts as Excellent.. :D Any bad feedback - I will delete... I will have my own .. fun filled.. exciting.. world on my blog.. :D
Kill the monster, Kill the beast
Kill the rep system on which spammers feast!
Re: Has CG gone to the crapper?
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Originally Posted by exterminator
Well, you posted something completely off-topic in here to complain about people doing the same to your thread. Right?
Next time, simply PM a Moderator or use the "Report Post" feature.
