Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by Siddhartha
I think the biggest difference between consuming plants and consuming animals as far as humans go is that - humans are not plants. Eating animals from certain perspectives comes really close to the boundary of eating another of one's own kind (and hence close to wild animal behaviour).
Very true, indeed.
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Originally Posted by exterminator
"It is far more efficient for us to eat plants directly than to eat meat, which requires an animal to eat up to 10 times as much vegetable food in order for us to gain the same food value."
Actually, It has been the major reason of the low-meat diets of approximatively everybody one century ago and before.
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"almost any vegetarian food can be taken without necessarily killing a plant. For example, we need not kill to gather ripe fruits and nuts, berries, melons, seeds, legumes, tomatoes, squashes, pumpkins, cucumber, okras, peppers and so many other vegetables. Potatoes are dug from the ground after the plant has died. We can pick a few leafy greens at a time in our own garden, leaving the plant alive and well. Vegetables are generally annuals, harvested at the end of their natural life."
It's also possible with meat... Vulture & other beasts eat only dead animals...
Note also that a multicellular living being is several living beings at a time....
In fact, we can say that a being composed of N cells contains N+1 living beings (assuming that a living being is a complex stuff that is able to preserve homeostasia via energetic consuming mechanisms and is able either to reproduce itself or to regenerate against approximatively any minor damage).
1 for the total being.
1 for each cell.
Usually, when we eat vegetables (except if they're really not fresh), cells are still living, and we kill them.
:p
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
Actually, I saw a report on TV a few months back (BBC / CNN) where scientists have been able to grow tissues of animals such as pigs, etc in laboratories in a size and scale that makes them consumable by humans.
Thus, may be, in the future not too far away, supermarkets will be full of beef and pork that actually never required an animal to be executed. :D
(Wonder if pork eaters will then be accepted into the vegetarian community the way milk-drinkers and egg-consumers have been? :D )
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by Krishnaa
Okay, now if plants have life, why do you even rob them if not killing? and who told you that plants are not killed for food, most of the green veg are killed(taken off from ground) completly and sent sold.
Do you think plant were born only to produce food for humans? Don't you think they might have diff. purpose behind producing those seeds, leaves, fruits? Isn't taking those things away from those plants a robbery?
So are you. :)
That makes a lot of difference. Its common sense to find out that its bilogically active and not a physical lief like humans and aniimals live. Writing somehting for the sake of argument doesnt make any point. And as far as ribbing is concerned, May be you are used to it. Not me. :wave:
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by Charu0306
That makes a lot of difference. Its common sense to find out that its bilogically active and not a physical lief like humans and aniimals live. Writing somehting for the sake of argument doesnt make any point. And as far as ribbing is concerned, May be you are used to it. Not me. :wave:
Believe me I am not talking things only for an argument here, most of my lifetime(19 years) I was pure vegeterian, I found out that there is no sense in the beliefs implanted in me by everyone else about eating meat.
It's just an interpretation, if someone would have taught you to consider's plants(the ones we eat) as gods then you would have been on other side, so it's all what you know, or what your surroundings told you, now it's hard to give unbiased opinion. So it's ok if you say so.
:)
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by Krishnaa
It's just an interpretation, if someone would have taught you to consider's plants(the ones we eat) as gods then you would have been on other side, ...
No, it is not really like that. There are a few trees and plants which are considered holy. For example : Tulsi and Neem and the peculiar thing is Tulsi does serve as a Prasad component. Tulsi is worshipped and well taken care of.. taking leafs for prasad doesn't mean destroying it. Additionaly, it is very healthy and used in several medicines in Ayurvedic treatments. Why would I want to be on the other side?
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
Hi,
Its not what people teach us to beleive, we are at an age where we can think and make decisions on our own. So, I DONT believe using wheat or rice is killing crops but merely using it. But killing life is KILLING. Now if we argue plants have life, probably you can prove table, chair and any other non-living thing has life too...:)
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by Charu0306
Its not what people teach us to beleive, we are at an age where we can think and make decisions on our own. So, I DONT believe using wheat or rice is killing crops but merely using it. But killing life is KILLING. Now if we argue plants have life, probably you can prove table, chair and any other non-living thing has life too...:)
What are you talking about? Can you read what you wrote, once, and see if it makes sense? I don't think you are at that age... table, chair etc and plants are different things but if you are saying cutting trees for wooden chair is okay, you are so wrong! In our forests, it is prohibited. It is another matter that people might still be doing it.
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by exterminator
No, it is not really like that. There are a few trees and plants which are considered holy. For example :
Tulsi and
Neem and the peculiar thing is Tulsi does serve as a
Prasad component. Tulsi is worshipped and well taken care of.. taking leafs for prasad doesn't mean destroying it. Additionaly, it is very healthy and used in several medicines in
Ayurvedic treatments. Why would I want to be on the other side?
Well take my sentense this way, "whats if we were taught to believe trees and plants are not supposed to be touched at all". Do you see the difference now? All I wanted to convey is most of us do exactly how they were taught to do, mostly no one tries to think beyond that.
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by Charu0306
Hi,
Its not what people teach us to beleive, we are at an age where we can think and make decisions on our own. So, I DONT believe using wheat or rice is killing crops but merely using it. But killing life is KILLING. Now if we argue plants have life, probably you can prove table, chair and any other non-living thing has life too...:)
Now you are talking for the sake of argument. :rolleyes:
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by Krishnaa
Well take my sentense this way, "whats if we were taught to believe trees and plants are not supposed to be touched at all". Do you see the difference now? All I wanted to convey is most of us do exactly how they were taught to do, mostly no one tries to think beyond that.
Well, what you try to convey with not touching things does not make sense. It is something that would not have been taught to us under any circumstances. It is impossible to live and not to touch trees and plants. However, what we are discussing is something that is possible - not eating non-veg and survive is possible... and not just possible it will not cause "any" issues what-so-ever! You cannot make those assumptions as they are flawed to their base... :)
Regarding believing what we get taught is what one will... but if you are not taught to think rationally, you will not think rationally. You cannot think beyond that. And even if you tried thinking beyond that, you would still be inside a circle. A circle which is created out of others teachings, value system, environment, culture and past experiences. A person cannot think beyond what he is taught or get out of the other influencing factors as I mentioned in the last sentence.
If you are thinking rationally, you have been taught to think rationally. This is one of the most true limitations of human thought and behaviour. Accept it or not.. but just think about it and you shall agree! :)
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by Krishnaa
Now you are talking for the sake of argument. :rolleyes:
I agree! :)
Slightly off topic.. can be improved... conclusion is incomplete but still I think will be a good read - take a look - http://abnegator.blogspot.com/2006/11/reflections.html
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Well I could go on and on, and I know everyone else can. :)...So I am signing out from this topic. :D
<BTW>that doesn't mean my belief is changed. :D</BTW>
!!Peace!! ;)
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by Krishnaa
Well I could go on and on, and I know everyone else can. :)...So I am signing out from this topic. :D
<BTW>that doesn't mean my belief is changed. :D</BTW>
!!Peace!! ;)
Krishnaa, please don't...! Workplace is a bit boring during the Holiday seasons... let's keep fighting...
Arguments don't happen to make others change their beliefs.. One's beliefs is at one's discretion! :)
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Originally Posted by exterminator
Krishnaa, please don't...! Workplace is a bit boring during the Holiday seasons... let's keep fighting...
Arguments don't happen to make others change their beliefs.. One's beliefs is at one's discretion! :)
:lol: :lol: :D.....Well we have many other soldiers in play. Let me spectate for some time. ;)
Re: Are you a vegetarian.
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Originally Posted by Krishnaa
:lol: :lol: :D.....Well we have many other soldiers in play. Let me spectate for some time. ;)
No! No! No! :cry: :cry: :cry:
