We will probably have the revised 'Terms & Conditions' today.
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We will probably have the revised 'Terms & Conditions' today.
We will probably have the revised 'Terms & Conditions' today.
Believe it or not, maintaining a site like CodeGuru is a lot of work not to mention the cost involved. The bandwidth itself costs a few thousand dollars. Fortunately for me, there were enough advertisers to pay for the expenses.
The code will remain free to use and the authors will retain their ownership of the code.
Also there are a number of advantages to the users that CodeGuru is now under the Earthweb umbrella. With the resources available to Earthweb, we should be able to expedite the updates, add new types of contents, organize more contests etc.
Do give you feedback on the new 'terms' once it has been revised.
Thanks,
Zafir
Believe it or not, maintaining a site like CodeGuru is a lot of work not to mention the cost involved. The bandwidth itself costs a few thousand dollars. Fortunately for me, there were enough advertisers to pay for the expenses.
The code will remain free to use and the authors will retain their ownership of the code.
Also there are a number of advantages to the users that CodeGuru is now under the Earthweb umbrella. With the resources available to Earthweb, we should be able to expedite the updates, add new types of contents, organize more contests etc.
Do give you feedback on the new 'terms' once it has been revised.
Thanks,
Zafir
Thanks for the support.
Thanks for the support.
What's not in the press release is that there were other companies that were interested too. With their focus on developers and source code, I thought it best to go with Earthweb. Before you start pointing to the 'terms and conditions' do wait for it to be updated.
As many of you are aware, I started this web site because I was writing a book and didn't want my work to go waste if I failed to publish it. I am glad I did. I can't imagine a better way of using my skills and reaching so many people. The result has certainly paid off.
What's not in the press release is that there were other companies that were interested too. With their focus on developers and source code, I thought it best to go with Earthweb. Before you start pointing to the 'terms and conditions' do wait for it to be updated.
As many of you are aware, I started this web site because I was writing a book and didn't want my work to go waste if I failed to publish it. I am glad I did. I can't imagine a better way of using my skills and reaching so many people. The result has certainly paid off.
Hi Robin,
The 'terms and conditions' are misleading and that was not the intent. No restriction has been added to your article. We hope to have the 'terms and conditions' updated today to clarify this issue.
The very reason CodeGuru exists is to promote code sharing and to be a platform to help each other out. I believe that after the acquisition CodeGuru can continue to serve these functions.
Like you, a number of other folks have benefited from the code available at this site and have in turn made their own contributions.
As for removing existing articles, if you send me mail at [email protected], I should be albe to take care of it. Unfortunately the codeguru emails are down at the moment.
However, I do request you to hold off till the updated 'terms and conditions' are posted.
Thanks,
Zafir
Hi Robin,
The 'terms and conditions' are misleading and that was not the intent. No restriction has been added to your article. We hope to have the 'terms and conditions' updated today to clarify this issue.
The very reason CodeGuru exists is to promote code sharing and to be a platform to help each other out. I believe that after the acquisition CodeGuru can continue to serve these functions.
Like you, a number of other folks have benefited from the code available at this site and have in turn made their own contributions.
As for removing existing articles, if you send me mail at [email protected], I should be albe to take care of it. Unfortunately the codeguru emails are down at the moment.
However, I do request you to hold off till the updated 'terms and conditions' are posted.
Thanks,
Zafir
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Will there still be contests held for articles here at codeguru ?
[email protected]
Zafir,
I wasn't implying that you were the one criticizing me using the "Anonymous" post, I wasn't even thinking that. I don't know who it was and, frankly I don't care. I was trying to say that whoever it was, should contact me directly, rather than roasting me over the open fire, yes put a fork in me I'm done! It was becoming some sort of an adolescent game, of which I had my fill.
I have nothing but the utmost respect for you Zafir, you have done a tremendous service for the development community with CodeGuru. When the takeover took place, I was very shocked, I just wish that we (the managers) were informed that we were going to be cut off from CodeGuru, before it happened, so we would could have prepared for it. As a result, I overreacted, I apologize. It was very frustrating sending emails to managers with 'recipient unknown' returned to my inbox. Trying to post peoples articles and finding out the hard way that all of our user privilidges had been revoked, and in the mean time not knowing what to tell people who wanted to post their aritcles.
I have reconsidered, and have decided to leave the articles here, but I think not only myself, but the rest of the managers would like to know if we are still going to operate in the same capacity, or just what we need to expect. I hope that you can accept my humble apology, and I wish you the best of luck...
Kirk Stowell
However, I do request you to hold off till the updated 'terms and conditions' are posted.
In deference to all the valuable work you have put in I will do so until I see the modified terms.
Robin
Don't you think that this is a little naive ? CodeGuru has always had adverts on it's pages - how do you think Zafir managed to pay for hosting the site in the first place ?
Most authors publish their work on a site to help other people and to get recognition - this in turn prompts other people to post code / articles and in the end, everyone wins. The CodeGuru site has proved invaluable to me in the past, and I don't really think that much has changed (apart from the horrible blue wavy line). There aren't really that many more adverts (they're just slower to load) and according to the big cheese at EarthWeb, the 'copyright issue' is just the same as it always was (just badly written).
If more people who posted to this discussion just sat back and thought for a minute and examined the facts (rather than over-reacting to the visual changes and the crappy copyright notice), then I think things would soon get back to a normal state.
Just my 2 cents
$12 MILLION -- REALLY ?????
Pardon my ignorance... But I am trying to figure out what Zafir (and gang) sold to Earthweb. Innovative search technology? A nice organizational model for a multi-topic site? The numerous articles he, himself contributed?
Kirk Stowell and numerous others selflessly donated "free" code to the site and put time and effort into explaining the details of Windows programming. In my limited intellect, it seems to me this is what built codeguru. Without it, there would have been NO codeguru. So I'm puzzled by all this. Something seems pretty disingenuous here. Can ANYONE doubt why all those contributors are angry as heck?
I have to disagree here.
I've contributed articles to codeguru in the past, and I'll do so
again. Why, because quite simply I've gained far more by being able to
read the other articles, by contributing I get to help create a useful
resource and get to post stuff where it might be read. Frankley I can
post what the heck I like on my own web site, and the odds are that no
one will ever notice. If I post it here then it gets read, reviewed.
I get bug fixes back and I get it distributed for free. Personally I
find all of these things useful.
The fact that the site is owned by someone else doesn't really bother
me. It was owned by Zafir for a long time, I've invested a lot of
time in it (I was the original moderator of quite a few sections and
wrote some of the early scripts that assist with moderating here), but
I've got a lot out of it. I regularly come back here to see what's new
and if I have a problem, then this is the first place that I look for
a solution.
In other words I get value from the site, if someone else is able to
make money out of it as well then fine.
I'd be much more upset to see everyone flee what they see as a
comercial site than I am to see it run by another company. So far my
only gripe is with the look and feel, that can be changed so I'm not
letting that bother me.
Guy
Yes. We still have to finalize the result of the earlier one though.
Yes. We still have to finalize the result of the earlier one though.
No one doubts that the transition could have been handled in a much better manner. A big part of the blame falls on me - I was being too optimistic.
As for the email, that was a genuine technical screw up. The fact is the web site has now moved to a new server with new set of permissions and a whole new way of publishing the articles. I myself was not receiving any emails sent to [email protected]. I believe this problem has now been fixed since I can now receive any new emails sent to the codeguru account.
Thanks for letting your articles remain on CodeGuru.
We are still trying to work out how the process would work with section managers. Because of the greater security being used at Earthweb ( I too don't have access to the live machine ) all the actual udates might have to be made by just a couple of people. We (the developers who have used CodeGuru) have been lucky to have had such a pool of talented developers act as section managers and I would love for you and the others to continue.
Thanks,
Zafir
No one doubts that the transition could have been handled in a much better manner. A big part of the blame falls on me - I was being too optimistic.
As for the email, that was a genuine technical screw up. The fact is the web site has now moved to a new server with new set of permissions and a whole new way of publishing the articles. I myself was not receiving any emails sent to [email protected]. I believe this problem has now been fixed since I can now receive any new emails sent to the codeguru account.
Thanks for letting your articles remain on CodeGuru.
We are still trying to work out how the process would work with section managers. Because of the greater security being used at Earthweb ( I too don't have access to the live machine ) all the actual udates might have to be made by just a couple of people. We (the developers who have used CodeGuru) have been lucky to have had such a pool of talented developers act as section managers and I would love for you and the others to continue.
Thanks,
Zafir
Not sure I like the changes.
Doesn't seem to be an easy way to go between source code area and the discussion board.
Or atleast it's not obvious to me.
Mark
It's really hard
to read the list
of articles on
a given topic
now that they
all get wrapped
around in a tiny
little space
shoved over to
the left side
of the screen
and it's such
a pain I can't
understand
why any web
site would
do such a
dumb thing,
let alone
a site for
developers
who surely
have
something
better than
a VGA monitor.
Wouldn't you
agree? I think
it makes much
more sense
for HTML
tables to
adjust them-
selves to
fit in the
viewing
window like
they were
designed
to.
"although the width of some of the pages have been fixed (mostly for the benefit of non techies)"
- What in the world would a "non techie" be doing at this site?
"although the width of some of the pages have been fixed (mostly for the benefit of non techies)"
- What in the world would a "non techie" be doing at this site? And why in the world should the rest of us suffer?
What in the heck is going on? I have to wait about 10 seconds after every page loads before I can see anything substantive. Of course, an animated ad is racing around on the screen during that time. I understand that earthweb makes its money doing ads, but this is punishing. Frankly, I don't have 10 seconds to waste for *every* page I load.
"What in the heck is going on? I have to wait about 10 seconds after every page loads before I can see anything substantive. Of course, an animated ad is racing around on the screen during that time. I understand that earthweb makes its money doing ads, but this is punishing. Frankly, I don't have 10 seconds to waste for *every* page I load."
Sorry, make that 30 to 50 seconds for a page to load. This is nuts. It brings new meaning to the concept of "productivity".
How fast the page becomes visible depends on your connection speed. At work I can use a 2MBit line, and the pages are coming fast. A big difference at home where I use a 56k connection (V90). I see the cookie warning, click on "No", see the ad, and go to the kitchen to get something to drink.
If the programmer of the script would add two things it will speed up the process at least for the people using IE5. First, use the CSS table-layout:fixed; for tables. With this style sheet IE5 doesn't need to render a whole table before displaying it. Second, add the attribute DEFER to the <SCRIPT> tag if the scripts doesn't need to be executed during loading the page. IE5 will first display the page and then start interpreting the scripts.
Martin
Well, first of all, if the site is the same as before (which I'm sure it will be after the flame(r)s have died, the new legal statement is in place, etc...), why should you or anyone else care if Zafir made some money off it. He has put an enormous amount of work into this site, so why shouldn't he get some reward for it? I think that the ad space, and the ability to offer the service at all, is indeed the reason for Earthweb's interest. The code is and remains free, so what else is there? And of course, most of us have probably visited EarthWeb's homepage at least once since the acquisition, and now know about some of the other services they offer. I think they'd happily pay a great deal for that too.
Also, Kirk Stowell and other people have indeed appeared to be very angry, but Kirk has recanted, and in his latest couple of posts, he seems to again be behind Zafir. I would think that once the dust settles, so will most of the others.
The bottom line is, and I'll say this again, if the site is the same, what's the problem? It just sounds like you're just jealous because someone else made a lot of money and you can't have any.
I believe zafir made a good choice and let earthweb has the time to prove it. But why not giving the codeguru community and mangers an earlier notify??
Best Regards.
I would prefer not to have site navigation links
on the right of each article page. I prefer when
reading the article to have plain page with only
the article on it. The same is for comments on articles.
When I need to navigate the site I just click on "Back" button
on my browser and this way go to the site's main page.
Just keep the old CodeGuru style - it was useable.
Regards,
Stefan
Related Items was a button on one of the newsgroup screens. It let you access a
complete thread. For example, let's say I see a post called "Re: VB Problem".
For whatever reason, I think this post looks interesting so I decide to view
it. When I look at it I realize this thread has been going on all day, and I
missed all the posts related to it. I could click on the button called "Related
Items" and that particular thread (and only that thread) would appear on screen
in a treeview format. That way, I could go back, and read each post one at a
time starting with the original question.
Some of these VB newsgoups are so busy, I find it too time consuming to sift
thru all the messages to find the ones I'm looking for.
"Related Items" was especially nice when I posted my own question. I would
bookmark the Related Items page for my post and I could go back to this one
page every couple hours to see the responses to my post.
If it helps, here's one of my bookmarks for the related items page of a post I
made last week called "Getting Name of Tables At Run-time"
http://www.codeguru.com/vb/cgi-bin/u...=Related+Items
I'm not sure how this feature worked, but I would hate to see it eliminated.
- Jim
Checked out the feature on the earlier server and it is certainly a very useful feature. Adding this to the list of items to do.
Checked out the feature on the earlier server and it is certainly a very useful feature. Adding this to the list of items to do.
.
"Well, first of all, if the site is the same as before (which I'm sure it will be after the flame(r)s have died, the new legal statement is in place, etc...), why should you or anyone else care if Zafir made some money off it. He has put an enormous amount of work into this site, so why shouldn't he get some reward for it?
[stuff deleted]
The bottom line is, and I'll say this again, if the site is the same, what's the problem? It just sounds like you're just jealous because someone else made a lot of money and you can't have any."
[response:]
Jealous??? You've missed my point entirely! If Zafir can make a billion dollars, that's great, and kudos to him. But who enabled it and under what guise did they do it? And shouldn't he make it off his own back and not others---or is that just capitalism at its finest? Zafir contributed a number of articles and some good discussion, and he organized the whole thing. BUT... If Zafir had started out with a very plain statement that he was going to someday sell the site, all its content, and its sidebar of who's who contibutors, then I would bet that the site would have failed the same as others like it. Instead, he got lots of people to drop their guard and contribute information that I'll bet they would not have offered if they would've known where it would lead. That is what built his site. That was my point. For him to then sell everyone's effort seems to me pretty unethical to me. Zafir didn't act as a broker for all involved; he simply sold it and raked in the rewards. Thanks to this event, codeguru is spoiled for as long as it takes for the cultural memory to fade and new developers to move in and take their place. Frankly, I can't see how the same level of posting and discussion can continue, because there will always be that background voice asking "What am I giving away if I do/say/post this?" It's hard to get people to drop their guard like they did for codeguru.
So it begs the question: Would I have done the same thing under the same circumstances? No! My obviously flawed conscience is too strong. I'll probably never become a millionaire if I have to do it this way.
Thanks, I would certainly appreciate it :)
- Jim
Then I apologize for my earlier rude comments. Yes people will be upset and I think thats silly and my caring about it is even sillier. For me I'll still use the site because I think its invaluable.
Hello,
Before EarthWeb bought CodeGuru I never visit EarhWeb because it is too Slow.
I think you should do something about the speed of your site.
The second reason (small reason you can say) is I hate the green and blue color that you use.
You see this site is a tool and the color you use must be relaxing.
What append is after a while we just get tired of waiting and be attack by heavy color. So we just leave.
I think you should react very soon beacause other like CodeJock are going to
take the market. This is kind of bad if you consider what the creater of CodeGuru as done.
Good Luck.
Karl.
Same feeling, or even stronger
Here's what it is likely to be:
All web pages within the Codeguru.com Internet site ("Site") are the property of EarthWeb Inc. Any source
code or article on these web pages is the property of its copyright holder.
Web pages: Permission (which may be revoked at any time by EarthWeb or its designees) is granted by EarthWeb to
download the web pages in this Site without alterations and for private and non-commercial use only so long as the following copyright notice is included: Copyright 1997-1999 EarthWeb Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Source code and Articles: EarthWeb does not own the copyright in the source code and articles (“resources”) that appear on the Site. Rather, the copyright in each such resource is retained by the party submitting the resource. The copyright owner in each resource made available through the Site may have imposed limitations on your use of such resource. By downloading or otherwise copying any resource from this Site, you agree that you will honor any condition for use imposed by the owner and that you will not publish, distribute or display
publicly the source code version of the resource without the prior written approval of the owner of such resource.
If you are submitting any resource to the Site, you must first review EarthWeb’s submission guidelines, which set out the rules governing submitted resources. Submission of a resource shall be deemed acknowledgment that the submitting party has reviewed and agreed to the guidelines.
Here's what it is likely to be:
All web pages within the Codeguru.com Internet site ("Site") are the property of EarthWeb Inc. Any source
code or article on these web pages is the property of its copyright holder.
Web pages: Permission (which may be revoked at any time by EarthWeb or its designees) is granted by EarthWeb to
download the web pages in this Site without alterations and for private and non-commercial use only so long as the following copyright notice is included: Copyright 1997-1999 EarthWeb Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Source code and Articles: EarthWeb does not own the copyright in the source code and articles (“resources”) that appear on the Site. Rather, the copyright in each such resource is retained by the party submitting the resource. The copyright owner in each resource made available through the Site may have imposed limitations on your use of such resource. By downloading or otherwise copying any resource from this Site, you agree that you will honor any condition for use imposed by the owner and that you will not publish, distribute or display
publicly the source code version of the resource without the prior written approval of the owner of such resource.
If you are submitting any resource to the Site, you must first review EarthWeb’s submission guidelines, which set out the rules governing submitted resources. Submission of a resource shall be deemed acknowledgment that the submitting party has reviewed and agreed to the guidelines.
Hi Zafir
I don't believe the vote on the Home page is working, I made a vote earlier today - and it still shows that there have been zero votes.
If you're being notified of this post via email - note that the URL link is also incomplete.
Rail
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Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://home.earthlink.net/~railro/
[email protected]
One more thing that I have to fix. And, of course, the forum script also has to be fixed so that the URL shows up properly when you receive the response.
One more thing that I have to fix. And, of course, the forum script also has to be fixed so that the URL shows up properly when you receive the response.
Why not sell the whole code to Microsoft?
Maybe they put everything into the MSDN and even more people will get helped.
"Nothing will change..."
...if someone gives that much money for something he want to do something with it.
And now a Question:
Is it possible to copy the whole articles and put it on another homepage(s)?
Just for the reason that more people can share the information stored in the articles.
Hello Zafir,
I think this terms and conditions are far better as before. However i see a main problem in those rules: We do have the copyright of our single articles but we all developpers and EVEN YOU don't have rights on the collection of articles in the future. The rules on the collection of our code can change always.
I am only a little fish between all developpers. But all little fishes together have been working together to help each other by sharing their knowledge. The work of me, single fish, is not of great use for all other fishes. I already had a complain about it. But it is of use for some of them. And the work of all fishes together is of great use for all fishes. But with these new rules Earth Web will own our collection of knowledge. Earth Web controls this way a key information which somebody needs who has normal problems with windows, C++ and mfc.
The main problem is here: If Earth Web owns the collection they can do with this collection what they want. It is possible that Earth Web will be sold too or Earth Web does sell CodeGuru to another company, even WITHOUT your agreement. The later company can stop publishing our collection of code due to financial, commercial or other reasons. Or they can make a mess from it when you have left the company.
So i would prefer a model where the source code AND the collection of source code is open source. Earth web may be one publisher of this code, but not the only one. If there are other publishers they can take the collection and publish it on their own way.
What is the collection of source code? I think it is only the source code, the titles, the articles and the comments of the readers. Perhaps the classification belongs to this too. This collection is the main part which we have to save for the future and which should not depend on a single person or single company any more. How this collection is published is not important, because this always can be done again, better, faster etc.
If Earth Web has big crisis, for example after a crash on the wallstreet or when they have made big financial errors, another company or a group of interested programmers can take the always open collection and publish it on their own way.
I think you won't have any commercial problems with this model, because the way you publish your code and the way you react on the critics shows me you are able to be one of the best of the publishers.
And you would certainly gain back the trust of the authors, because they can be sure their work won't be lost between the sellers and resellers of information.
And i don't need to start a group where all members have the same interest: Sharing their code. Independent on what is happening on the wallstreet. But free for the people like you to present the code as beautiful as they can or make from this code collection as much money as they are able to.
Ernst Versteeg, Switzerland
[email protected]
Why is everyone upset about this? I can see absolutely no difference (aside from the ugly wavy green border) betweent the site now and before. The content has not changed in any way.
The only thing new I come away with is a loss of respect for Kirk Stowell. I always read his articles and tried to use his code, but the requirement for putting his name in the About box is ridiculous considering the code doesn't really work that great and often needs fixing.
More power to Zafir for selling the site.
To make this site faster, use the Opera web browser, and turn off the graphics, that takes care of that wavy-gravy line to the left, also.