oops sorry you're right THAT IS CORRECT! wow!
you deserve the point Gabriel... ask a question!
score:
1. Gabriel 5
2. Saturno 4 Simon 4
3. me 3
4. Elrond 2 solarflare 2 John 2
5. Xplorer 1 dimm_coder 1
asker Gabriel
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oops sorry you're right THAT IS CORRECT! wow!
you deserve the point Gabriel... ask a question!
score:
1. Gabriel 5
2. Saturno 4 Simon 4
3. me 3
4. Elrond 2 solarflare 2 John 2
5. Xplorer 1 dimm_coder 1
asker Gabriel
Come on Gabriel! We're waiting for ya!
post a question ;) :D :p
Where is Gabriel? That is a good question indeed. The answer is Switzerland. Do I get a point now? :D :pQuote:
Originally posted by SeventhStar
Come on Gabriel! We're waiting for ya!
post a question ;) :D :p
I want to Switzerland too :cool:
Nevertheless, I want to say, that this is not the right system here, early we had answered only by priv messages and had some days for posting the answer. Of course, questions were more difficult. Most of us have work and cannot sit here every time and even think about new question in this moment. I think Gabrial for ex. enough buzy now, like some other too.
I'm really amazed!!! How can you know this?!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
Where is Gabriel? That is a good question indeed. The answer is Switzerland. Do I get a point now? :D :p
Do you have a crystal ball ? Or your full name is Simon Muad'dib?
:D ;)
I'll even astonish you some more: dimm_coder is from Belarus and you're from Spain. You'll never guess however where I'm from. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Doctor Luz
I'm really amazed!!! How can you know this?!!! Do you have a crystal ball ? Or your full name is Simon Muad'dib? :D ;)
Now seriously, I think dimm_coder is right. We ought to make more difficult questions as most people cannot be constantly around.
I agree.
Sometimes when I come back to see new post, I find pages of new posts.
And don't forget the problem of the different local time. Maybe when some of us are posting, others are sleeping and can answer.
I think is a good idea to let few days to answer and make more difficult questions.
I have a very difficult one. :D Why in my program does the specular reflection not appear where it is supposed to be. This crap has been bugging me for more than a year now. :mad: I'll post a sample project once in the VC forum, but I don't have high expectations as not many people are familiar with it. :(Quote:
Originally posted by Doctor Luz
I agree.
Sometimes when I come back to see new post, I find pages of new posts.
And don't forget the problem of the different local time. Maybe when some of us are posting, others are sleeping and can answer.
I think is a good idea to let few days to answer and make more difficult questions.
Finding more difficult questions can be a problem.
And even that will not solve everything as people like Simon666 don't have anything else to do ;p so they will get the question as soon as it comes and have plenty of time while other people have other things to do and will not have as much time.
A solution could be to give answers throug PMs, and wait a minimum time (at least a few hours, and possibly a day) for the asker to give the list of people who gave the correct answer. Because so far, a few times, the person who gave the correct answer was not the only one to find, and possibly not the first one to send the answer, but was helped by the slowness of the server.
This way, several questions can be asked at the same time, and it lets every one enough time to look for answers (even solarflare).
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The other solution is just to continue as we are doing, except that when there's no question on the line, whoever wants to ask a question can ask it.
well tha task abou the balls was complicated. but you have made it.
I have 2-3 rarely complicated riddles. But I saved them for special occasions. :D
Do you want me to ask one. (be afraid! be very afraid! be terrified)
:p :p :p
A dude lands on a deserted island. Floating on the see, he finds a box containing cigarettes. Now, from the ramains of every 7 (seven) cigatrettes that he smokes, he is able to make a new cigarette. How many cigarettes were in the box, if after smoking 840 cigarettes he has only one cigarette left (and no cigarette remains -- how are they called in English?) ?
Cigarette buttQuote:
(and no cigarette remains -- how are they called in English?) ?
721 cigarettes in the box?
Yes. Your turn :)
In a big room, a company of firefighters have a big party.
There are 300 firefighters in the company, all men, all being maried and having brought their wives.
Each time someone enters, he counts how many handshakes he will have to give (everyone except his wife/husband if that one is already here).
When everyone has arrived, the captain asked each person how many hands he had to shake when he arrived. All answers are different (not twice the same value).
How many hands has the captain shaken?
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Now I'm about to leave for the week end, so the confirmation will wait until monday, except if the answer comes with a good explanation on which every one agrees.
299!:confused: Donot call me lulu if this turns out wrong :rolleyes:
I'm not sure if the 300 counts the captain, so I'll answer like this:Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
There are 300 firefighters in the company, all men, all being maried and having brought their wives.
...
How many hands has the captain shaken?
if the captain is one of those 300, he has shaken 299*2=598 hands.
if the captain isn't one of those 300, he has shaken 300*2=600 hands.
solarflare answer is correct to the question... In fact every fireman has shaken 598 hands. but if you count as a handshake only this what you do when you arrive then you must know when did the captain appear?Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
In a big room, a company of firefighters have a big party.
There are 300 firefighters in the company, all men, all being maried and having brought their wives.
Each time someone enters, he counts how many handshakes he will have to give (everyone except his wife/husband if that one is already here).
When everyone has arrived, the captain asked each person how many hands he had to shake when he arrived. All answers are different (not twice the same value).
How many hands has the captain shaken?
if he was first (something normal for a captain) - 0
if he was last - 598
if he was N-th (2*(N-1))
:eek:YOU GUYS SO INTELLIGENT !!!!!!!!!!:D
Actually,
yes, the question is how many has he shaken when he arrived,
he is included in the 300,
there is ONE precise value that can be found,
No "if he was N-th (2*(N-1))" is not the answer.
And one additional information, I said he asked every person in the room, this includes the firefighters and the wives (-> 599 answers, all different).
well when the wives arrive do they shake hand with everyone as well?
The only thing I can think of is that if he had to ask each and every of the others that must mean that he came as the last one o relse he would have known how many hands some others have shaken. So he shook 598 hands.Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
And one additional information, I said he asked every person in the room, this includes the firefighters and the wives (-> 599 answers, all different).
The wives shake hands as well,
and as each one keeps his own count, the captain does not know before asking what is the value for everyone, even if he didn't arrive last. -> He didn't arrive last.
there is a proper value that can be demonstrated!
He didn't arrive first nor last. Hereby I conclude the captain did not arrive at all and shook 0 hands, after all, isn't a captain supposed to be on a ship (Prestige,Tricolor) instead of a firebrigade party? :D :pQuote:
Originally posted by Elrond
The wives shake hands as well,
and as each one keeps his own count, the captain does not know before asking what is the value for everyone, even if he didn't arrive last. -> He didn't arrive last.
there is a proper value that can be demonstrated!
As being the captain of a firefighter brigade, I don't know if he knows how to swim and therefore if his place is on a boat. :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
He didn't arrive first nor last. Hereby I conclude the captain did not arrive at all and shook 0 hands, after all, isn't a captain supposed to be on a ship (Prestige,Tricolor) instead of a firebrigade party? :D :p
And as he is here to ask people how many hands they have shaken, he has shown up. :cool:
Try again :D
So you're sayingthe firefighters are celebrating upon the boat? Then it also would make sense the captain showed up. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Elrond
As being the captain of a firefighter brigade, I don't know if he knows how to swim and therefore if his place is on a boat.
Just a note:
I think an answer REQUIRES an explanation to be accepted. Otherwise, it's easy to give an answer without knowing why.
I didn't gave any for the cigarette box, but I could have just picked up a number.
In the case of the cigarettes, there was very little chances to get the correct answer just by guessing, but in the case of my riddle, the number has a much better to be discovered just by guessing (something like 0, 598, ...).
If an explanation is not required, I have just seen that Wfranc gave the correct answer (299). If you want me to give an explanation about how I got the answer for the cigarettes, I can give it as well.
I let you decide if you accept Wfranc's answer (as nothing was said about giving an explanation before).
First of all, none of the pairs (husband - wife) can enter the room one after the other, or else they would have to shake the same number of hands. Except the captain and his wife, because he is allowed to shake the same number of hands as someone else. The only pattern that leads to the correct condition (different answers) is that all men enter first and all wives after that or vice-versa. However, the two persons in the middle will shake the same number of hands, that is 299 -- one of them must be the captain.Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
The wives shake hands as well,
and as each one keeps his own count, the captain does not know before asking what is the value for everyone, even if he didn't arrive last. -> He didn't arrive last.
there is a proper value that can be demonstrated!
Read better. I said I don't know if his place is on a boat! And the fact that the big room is or is not on a boat will probably not help you solve the problem.Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
So you're sayingthe firefighters are celebrating upon the boat? Then it also would make sense the captain showed up. :D
Anyway, the captain didn't told me where the party was ;)
Gabriel is correct, and so is his explanation.
I dont think he... aa by the way does anyone know Wfrank's gender... okay...
I don't think Wfrank can explain it... But I pretty much wan you to... or on second thought let's give Wfrank time till tommorow to explain it. Then if he/she ( ;) ) hasn't done it you, Elrond, will is this ok?
didn't see that :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Gabriel Fleseriu
First of all, none of the pairs (husband - wife) can enter the room one after the other, or else they would have to shake the same number of hands. Except the captain and his wife, because he is allowed to shake the same number of hands as someone else. The only pattern that leads to the correct condition (different answers) is that all men enter first and all wives after that or vice-versa. However, the two persons in the middle will shake the same number of hands, that is 299 -- one of them must be the captain.
who gets the point now?
Gabriel explained it well. Actually the same question will have the same logical answer whatever number of firefighters, but using a big number like 300 makes it impressive. You can apply the same logic starting with NF = 2 (including the captain) and always find (NF-1)/2 as an answer.
You'll find it much easier to find with a small number, and can check that the value is always right when the number grow up.
I'd give it to Gabriel, as he really solved the riddle.
What about when 4 firefighters enter:
F1 : 0 hands
F2 : 1 hands
F3 : 2 hands
F4 : 3 hands
The captain could be anybody, as any F1 to F4 would count different numbers of handshakes.
No, you're forgetting their wives!Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
What about when 4 firefighters enter:
F1 : 0 hands
F2 : 1 hands
F3 : 2 hands
F4 : 3 hands
The captain could be anybody, as any F1 to F4 would count different numbers of handshakes.
F1 : 0 hands
F2 : 1 hands
F3 : 2 hands
F4 : 3 hands
FW1: 3 hands
FW2: 4 hands
FW3: 5 hands
FW4: 6 hands
The captain must be F4, and that gives the 7 other answers all different!
If you start with two, the are plenty of solutions, but the captain must ALWAYS shake one hand exactly to have all other answers differents (C and CW, the captain and his wife, F and FW the firefighter and his wife):
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F : 0
CW : 1
C : 1
FW :2
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F : 0
C : 1
CW : 1
FW :2
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FW : 0
CW : 1
C : 1
F :2
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FW : 0
C : 1
CW : 1
F :2
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CW : 0
FW : 1
C : 1
F : 2
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CW : 0
F : 1
C : 1
FW : 2
ANY other solution implies that two will give the same answer!
OK, checks out.
And what if the bad guy who shot the barman throws his cigar into the town's granary and causes a great fire?
What a disaster!! the town in fire while the firemen are wasting their time shoking their hands. !!!!
:D :D ;)
Here's a question:
The police are responding to a 911 call. They come to an office building and see a man (lets call him Davey just for the heck of it) with a bullet in his head (he's dead) and a cassette tape player. They rewind the tape that's in it and play it. "I don't want to live anymore... *BAM*" says Davey on the tape. A coworker (lets call him Johnny) at the scene says, "I heard the gunshot and ran over to the cubicle here, and I immediately called 911." A short while later, they knew he was lying. How did they figure this out?
How come Johny's call wasnt on the tape. And who pressed 'stop' to stop the recording...Quote:
Originally posted by solarflare
Here's a question:
The police are responding to a 911 call. They come to an office building and see a man (lets call him Davey just for the heck of it) with a bullet in his head (he's dead) and a cassette tape player. They rewind the tape that's in it and play it. "I don't want to live anymore... *BAM*" says Davey on the tape. A coworker (lets call him Johnny) at the scene says, "I heard the gunshot and ran over to the cubicle here, and I immediately called 911." A short while later, they knew he was lying. How did they figure this out?
;)
May be the tape reached its end. In this case a lot of recording device will just stop by themselves.Quote:
Originally posted by SeventhStar
How come Johny's call wasnt on the tape. And who pressed 'stop' to stop the recording...
;)
But the fact the Johnny's call is not on the tape is a good clue, and probably the fact that they don't hear him arrive (He was already there), or say anything like "OH NO!!!".
We will probably have to wait for solarflare to confirm, but I think you'll have the point.
Whoops, I guess I wasn't clear enough on that. The phone call is on the tape. It is clearly Johnny's voice. When Johnny saw the tape recorder he stopped it himself.
Clue: the police didn't know immediately. They must have done something first, right?
Is it REALLY davey's voice that says "I don't want to live anymore... "?
If not, Johnny may have recording the "BAM" and the phone call, then rewinded to record the "I don't want to live anymore..." (masking his voice) and then forwarded it until after the phone call.
That's really a problem when the asker is not here to clarify some misunderstandings (like me this week end or Solarflare now). :)
Yep.
There could be thousands of reasons that could've lead the police to this conclusion.
I suggest that tomorrow solarflare gives us the answer and if we like it we decide whether we give him a point or not.
I guess there is a "logical" answer that can be deducted from the question. My previous answer is one possibility. They asked someone else if the voice was that of Davey, the person said no. Then it must be Johnny.Quote:
Originally posted by SeventhStar
Yep.
There could be thousands of reasons that could've lead the police to this conclusion.
I suggest that tomorrow solarflare gives us the answer and if we like it we decide whether we give him a point or not.
I m not sure but let me guess.
if Johny was right (that he heared the gun shot and ran towards it) then it means that it will take him about 1 minute or so to reach there and then he will make a call but Johny diales 911 right after the incident without any pause or time wastage :) which is unbelievable and impossible unless he is a SuperMan!
is that so??? :)
Aamir!
You know what, I'm sorry... this was probably the worst question ever, and a waste of your time :(.
What actually happened (in the story) is that Johnny held Davey at gunpoint and made him record the message. Johnny then shot Davey fatally. He proceeded to call the police. He had been wearing gloves so his fingerprints would not be found on the gun. When the police examined the scene of the crime, they didn't find Johnny's fingerprints on the phone, even though he claimed to have used it.
So really the short answer is: there were no fingerprints on the phone.
Oops! i did'nt cosidered that :) but as a closest of all i m posting a question here (i m sure u won't mind :D ), so here it is
One day when Kaliph was listening to people's problems in an open court, three men came there crying and they requested the Kaliph to solve their problem, here is the problem:
"These men invested their money in a business of cattle (namely camels) but now they wanted to separate their money, there are 17 camels, first man claims a share of 1/2 of the total money, second claims 1/3 of the total money and the third person has a share of 1/9 of the total money.
Now how to divide camels between them according to their share. U r not allowed to slaughter any camel"
Kaliph thought for a little time and then solved their problem, can any one tell me the answer.
Hope u like This one :D...
Aamir!
I posted a veeery similar question above... Didn't you read it?
The Khaliph added one of his camels to the cattle so
1st man took 9
2nd man took 6
3rd man took 2
and the Khaliph took his own camel...