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Simon666:
Maybe not. Maybe the programmers did the AI like that to have strong bots. And by this way, you're become really good at the game, and you reach a point where you're a really good hardcore gamer. And if bots weren't "cheating", you'll say: "oh, it's too easy"...
Maybe not.
Ahah
I'm not a hardcore gamer. And I like the game. It's just that I noticed these small problems. In the first Unreal however, this was a major problem. And in some other games it can be too. I don't like that things are hard in a game, I just want to frag some people to let off some steam. I am not interested to like in some games have my head shot off with a single bullet by a sniper 500 metres away as I heard is the case in a WWII game which name I can't remember right now.
I don't like games much. I am playing seldom only some shooters,
like CS.
Simon I agree with U. I think that what U descripted about UT it's not real AI.
It's trickery mostly. For that I prefer to play with people, noy bots.
Yes it's difficult to play UT or Quake 3 at nightmare mode, but it's
only because bots has unreal marksmanship, etc... but not not of their strategy.
It's especcialy for CS, where U can even one win command of bots with high game level, with excellent marksmanship, but with bad strategy.
I think game AI in shooters it's strategy of bots mainly.
I don't remember any shooter AI to not be able to look thru wall and floor :D, They seem to aim their ennemy that is the other side of the door, and to not shot because the bullet cannot hit the target... so why aiming??
In Unreal Tournament, the computer was not really "thinking". To move, programmer must include "pathway" in the map so the bots can follow it. The pathway must pass near weapons and equipements in order to allow bot to have weapon. No "pathway" I think the bots just freeze and wait there, shotting anything in their range they can see. But there is still path finding AI, they must know the shortest path from A to B.
Also, in UT, bots knows exactly where are the items, and in how many times they will reappear (Thinking about Xan and that Armor ;)) He get to the armor at the exact same time the armor appear :)
It seems to be the same thing in UT2003 ;)
I have heard that Ghost Recon was having strong AI, not really true, the game's good, but the AI still aim their guns on wall because there is someone the other side.
JeffB
I've only played the demo. I am going to buy it I think. I think it would not be that much effort to program something to keep track of the closest walls and of the openings in them so the bots don't shoot against them in a more limited number of cases without program performance slowing down. But that is just a thought I guess.Quote:
It seems to be the same thing in UT2003
I don't play first person shooters so I can't really say much about them. Anyways, programming a real-time AI is pretty hard :/
Anyway, in shoot games like UT, Quake, Counter Strike, if you play against bots, it will always miss something, the human factor. For example, when i used to play Counter on the net i could play for hours...and sometimes i had to eat or drink something. During this time, my player was not moving and could be shot. That would be funny to include this kind of "aleas" in the AI.
Have you ever seen a bot which is a sniper in a shoot game ? Bots are always running, no ?
Fortunately, there is always players on the net, and there's no need to use bots...
That's true, an advanced AI concept for bots has to include behavioural models for them. So for example one bot tends to run frantically about every room and kill everyone in sight. Another one will play the sniper, still another one will wait behind doors etc. The possibilities are numerous, I'm sure we'll get there soon enough ;)
This is already done in Unreal Tournament. What is not realistic, is that if you set the bots to "inhuman" skill level, they actual are inhuman. :D They snipe you WHILE RUNNING. Now I can do this too to some extent, but not with such an accuracy. If I zoom in and run, I have to be careful not to fall into anything too, but the bots know where they are going and also know when to zoom out when someone is approaching outside of their zoomed scope.Quote:
Have you ever seen a bot which is a sniper in a shoot game ? Bots are always running, no ?
It would be nice to be able to see replays from the point of view of the computer and what it is actually seeing. This is a feature I really like in Warcraft :)
I've heard it is the replay possibility that really slowed down GTA3 on PC. So I think this is bad for performance (depends on who programs it too ;) ) and maybe that's why you won't find it in first person shooters. And of course because there has never been any demand for it. I did think the replay feature of Carmageddon was really cool.
True :/ Then again, instead of running Quake 3 at 150 frames per second you could just as well play it on 120 frames per second :p
The first game I played with nice replays was Driver. Oh, I used to love that game ;)
Warcraft 3 and StartCraft replays are little file and do not slow the game (blizzard do surely have good coders).
also, Ghost Recon has a replay features, and it is pretty interresting, but you can't look at the ennemy view ;)
For the shooters AI too smart for us, it is the same thing in Perfect Dark (for those who knows N64 games), at the better level, they shot you with two pistol from far far far away and do not miss you, all of that while walking backward, picking objects and shield, something turning corner, but the story say that these "Dark bots" are not human but human with implants and the like :)
UT2003 -> I've only played the demo TO (thanks to CodeGuru NewsLetter ;) )
JeffB
I think it would be interesting to know how the warcraft people did this, since the replay files are indeed much smaller than you'd expect.
For first person shooters, the AI can of course always be much better than you and that's easy to achieve. They will just never miss and always dodge your bullets ;)
It would VERY interesting, when I try to find a way to keep as much datas... I'm wondering if they just record "Player X : Select units in Area (10,10,100,100): MoveTo (500,500)", and just "regenerate" the replay, but each unit move always "the exact same manner", Blizzard surely got real "crack" to do such a features :) (appreciate from everyone BTW) :)Quote:
Originally posted by Yves M
I think it would be interesting to know how the warcraft people did this, since the replay files are indeed much smaller than you'd expect.
JeffB