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October 21st, 2002, 05:01 PM
Mick

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Originally posted by Sylvain
"why is there so much murder in the US ?"

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I'm not so sure about that statement. Although, I don't have the statistics in front of me right now. I don't think per capita that the USA is leading in that area. Of course we do have more people than most countries. So more muders. I'll look around for some data to back that up. I know I read about the various per capita stats around the world about a year or two ago and I don't think we were #1 :) But then we always like to be #1 in whatever we do so who knows, maybe I'm wrong.
October 21st, 2002, 05:15 PM
Mick

The other thing is. It's where you live. I spent two years in Billings Montana. People were very nice and everyone owned a gun, a dog, and a pickup truck :) But you didn't have rampant killings. It's such a far cry from the east coast. You can really see the difference in moral decay as I have in moving back to the east coast. One of the biggest problems is drugs and drug releated crimes. If you legalized drugs crime would drop dramatically. Try walking through South East DC it's all drug related murders and crime in that area. (and I don't advise you even go close to South East DC just a point I'm making)
So I say legalize drugs, get rid of the crime element, control it federally, stop wasting billions of dollars trying to fight something you can' t win at. Take some of that money and put it into treatment, prevention, education and the creation of jobs for lower income families. If I can make 7 bucks an hour flipping burgers, or I can make 20,000 a week dealing drugs in the inner city..well you know.
October 22nd, 2002, 01:46 AM
dimm_coder

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Originally posted by Elrond

Is it something real, or did you made it just because of the previous conversation?

If it's a real saying, I don't get what it means. Can you explain it? :confused:

If it's something you made up, then I agree that the conversation gets a bit tasteless... :rolleyes:

Ok, Elrond, it wasn't simple "game of words".
Of course, it was joke when Simon was asked by me about - if he know sniper. But in other it's not joke.
Do U really know about situation in our country???
I have already explained it for Simon by pm, and I know that he understand me, because, I think, he more interesting in situation at the World, not only at his country, than may be some other members.

So this words "Only sniper can save Belarus" - it's real words, we sometimes say here, about the president of our country. Of course, this bit joking, but it really can explain situation in our country. He became president since 1994 year, then he changed Constitution of our Republic to have president time for 7 years not 5 like it was by Constitution. He made some unconstitution referendum. Then in 2001 he made false president compain, falsificate results and became president for 2-nd time. Now by constitution it is his last possible time like president. But, I think, at some near future we'll see new referendum, by which he can stand president for 3-d time. All power concentrated in his hands.
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So this words(about sniper) mean that this is only one possible way to leave president post for him.
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Opps, I think that our KGB has other tasks that trying to find me for words, I have written here.
:rolleyes:
October 22nd, 2002, 02:02 AM
Elrond

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Originally posted by dimm_coder

Ok, Elrond, it wasn't simple "game of words".
Of course, it was joke when Simon was asked by me about - if he know sniper. But in other it's not joke.
Do U really know about situation in our country???
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So this words(about sniper) mean that this is only one possible way to leave president post for him.
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Opps, I think that our KGB has other tasks that trying to find me for words, I have written here.

I knew the fact that you knew a snipper, ... was a joke. I know the situation is not yet great in most of the countries of Ex-USSR, but I didn't knew about your president. Even if your interested about other countries than yours, it's difficult to know about all of them. Thanks for the information.

What's the name of your president? Can you get me some of his hair so I can try dark magic... ;)

What's your country like now? As it seems only one person leads it whether you want it or not, it seems very much like what old USSR was. Is it still the same or are there real changes? Is it better or worse than what is was?
October 22nd, 2002, 02:12 AM
Sylvain

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Because just about anybody can own a gun. When a shop gets robbed in Europe, they alert the police and hope that these will catch the thief. In the US the shopkeeper will get out his sawed-off shotgun and blast at the guys while these blast at him.

Wrong. In canada, there is almost one gun per person. And only 70 muders per years, against 10 000 in the US. In some town, you must own a gun to live there. That's incredible.

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I'm not so sure about that statement. Although, I don't have the statistics in front of me right now

Ok. Go and check. Maybe i'm wrong, but i do not think. More than 10 000 a year !!!

People acts the same as their government. That can be a reason.
October 22nd, 2002, 02:23 AM
Platinum Plus

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In canada, there is almost one gun per person. And only 70 muders per years, against 10 000 in the US. In some town, you must own a gun to live there.

Not that gun thing again :rolleyes:
October 22nd, 2002, 02:25 AM
Elrond

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Originally posted by Sylvain
People acts the same as their government. That can be a reason.

A new flame war is starting: Europe against USA. Who kills more, who is right, which is the bad guy? :D:D

I don't think we should continue this way. Moderators won't be happy, and anyway, no one will win, as everyone is certain to be right. Finally, in a way, we're all as bad as the fundamentalists...

I don't approuve the fact that almost everyone owns a gun (except may be for hunting guns), but as long as they keep their guns in their countries, I just won't go live there. If they don't feel safe in Europe because they can't own a gun, they can stay where they are. And for people who don't care, they can go wherever they want and rule the world... :p
October 22nd, 2002, 02:46 AM
Sylvain

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Not that gun thing again

Sorry.

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A new flame war is starting: Europe against USA. Who kills more, who is right, which is the bad guy?

No. I'm sorry. That's was just in relation with the movie. That's very important i think. But i just don't want to say who is bad or who is right. That's not the question. We already know that.
But we cannot close our eyes and just say :"oh, no, not that question again". History show that if people had said that everytime, we surely woudn't be talking on this server today.

Well, if you want to talk about something else. That's ok. But remenber to go and see that film.
October 22nd, 2002, 06:45 AM
Yves M

Well, maybe you are right solarflare... I'm not so sure... To illustrate the point that I'm not really sure, I'll quote some statistics for which I don't have any source neither reliable figures :p

But some report said that when your house gets robbed (this happens in pretty much every country) and you are at home, if you pull out a gun, your chances of getting murdered are about twice as likely than if you didn't pull out a gun (e.g. instead a cricket bat in the UK, a hard baguette in France or a bavarian beer mug in Germany)

Elrond, I'm not sure but this doesn't look likee a flame war to me ;) As far as I've noticed the poeple who tend to post on this thread don't tend to get into flame wars. Well, maybe except Simon with Xeon :p
October 22nd, 2002, 07:05 AM
Simon666

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[i]Elrond, I'm not sure but this doesn't look likee a flame war to me ;) As far as I've noticed the poeple who tend to post on this thread don't tend to get into flame wars. Well, maybe except Simon with Xeon :p

That is because the topic has seldom been controversial, such as gun control in this and another thread, abortion, euthanasia and smoking in even others. If people however ask for comments on either of these subjects or criticize another country for its policy, it is logical people will defend their own viewpoints and that of their country, so ofcourse we are then started for a bit of a flame war. However, it becomes seldom rude, but always political. From personal experience I think it is best everybody can give his viewpoints once, but then it should be put to rest again. Everbody has the right upon his own opinion.

Even Xeon. :D
October 22nd, 2002, 08:12 AM
dimm_coder

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Originally posted by Elrond

What's the name of your president? Can you get me some of his hair so I can try dark magic... ;)

no no no Elrond, he is horrible dark mag and it is dangerous even for U :)
But thank U :)

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What's your country like now? As it seems only one person leads it whether you want it or not, it seems very much like what old USSR was. Is it still the same or are there real changes? Is it better or worse than what is was?

Yes, it's of course better that at USSR time. Now we have more freedom of course than at old time. Because it's already not old time, it's not USSR. But our president very like USSR and it's like ideal for him. He want reconstruct big country. He want to unite with Russia. As it seems he want to became leader of this new country. But now with the situation at Russian , it's already impossible I think. Now Russia want to incorporate our republic and it want it for all times. ...
So it's difficult, and I don't think than other members interesting in it.
October 22nd, 2002, 08:19 AM
Simon666

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Now Russia want to incorporate our republic and it want it for all times. ...

Any chance on that happening? I know that in Ukrain (ruled by that other dictator/president Kushma) some people are not happy with the separation from Russia while others are and hope to get in the EU and NATO as soon as possible.
October 22nd, 2002, 09:19 AM
Yves M

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Originally posted by dimm_coder
So it's difficult, and I don't think than other members interesting in it.

It is actually very interesting, but unfortunately I don't know much about it so I can just read what you say about this ;)
October 23rd, 2002, 02:15 AM
Platinum Plus

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Originally posted by Simon666
If people however ask for comments on either of these subjects or criticize another country for its policy, it is logical people will defend their own viewpoints and that of their country, so ofcourse we are then started for a bit of a flame war. However, it becomes seldom rude, but always political. From personal experience I think it is best everybody can give his viewpoints once, but then it should be put to rest again. Everbody has the right upon his own opinion.

Even Xeon. :D

For once I agree with Simon:rolleyes: . Maybe Simon should start a Junk thread where we all go and vent our frustrations and it should have a warning for the faint hearted to read with caution :eek:
October 23rd, 2002, 03:01 AM
dimm_coder

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Originally posted by Simon666
Any chance on that happening? I know that in Ukrain (ruled by that other dictator/president Kushma) some people are not happy with the separation from Russia while others are and hope to get in the EU and NATO as soon as possible.

I am not happy with the separation from Russia. :mad: And many people here to.
Simon (Yves if you interesting really to), in some near future when I find enough free time I can write here some aspects of real situation here ( Belarus vs Russia ) , etc. If it ' ll be interesting for U
:)

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