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I'd like to know more about that myself.Quote:
Originally posted by dimm_coder
I am not happy with the separation from Russia. :mad: And many people here to.
Simon (Yves if you interesting really to), in some near future when I find enough free time I can write here some aspects of real situation here ( Belarus vs Russia ) , etc. If it ' ll be interesting for U
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Given your actual situation, would rather get back to Russia or would you prefer UE?
I'm actually rather interested in Russia. I'm hoping to go there on vacation once, to Moscow or St. Petersburg, or maybe Kiev in Ukrain, but my parents (read: mom) really don't want me to go because fear of crime. Is Minsk also as historically interesting and filled with musea and nice buildings?
By this I can tell you're originally French: European Union versus Union Européenne.Quote:
Given your actual situation, would rather get back to Russia or would you prefer UE?
That's not even true. Yes I'm french, and this is the French way of saying that, although I think French are not the only one the say it that way. I just don't really care about the order in which I put these two letter as most people will understand one way or the other, and as living in Ireland, I see it the orther way around most of the time. And I can't even type it your way as I have an Irish keyboard without an easy access to the 'é'.Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
By this I can tell you're originally French: European Union versus Union Européenne.
I have enough for the moment woth trying to understand more about Irish politics, that's a reason why I'm not looking that much what's happening in Eastern Europe. But it is becoming important as some countries are about to join us and Ireland will not get as much money. :(
OK, I'm wrong, sorry. I've formulated it incorrectly, and you seem to think I meant something with it. What I meant was you probably still have some French in you despite of you being immigrated, which is not a bad thing. Unless you consider the French as bad. :D No just kidding.
Well, I think with good reason. Ireland still isn't as poor as it used to be, while Greece and Portugal e.g. are probably worse and have more rights on money. I'm not familiar with the current Irish financial situation in respect to other European countries, maybe you can enlighten me on that part.Quote:
But it is becoming important as some countries are about to join us and Ireland will not get as much money.
Guys, as I have say early, today or may be tommorow evening, I ' ll write "report" about our country and near countries. About history, today times, etc. It's be exactly for the theme of this thread "Where we from".
And Simon, you mam's fear more unbased than has real base. ;) Here in Minsk U can have more safety than for ex. in USA.
So, comming soon ... :)
Same for me. I just forgot the smileys ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
OK, I'm wrong, sorry. I've formulated it incorrectly, and you seem to think I meant something with it. What I meant was you probably still have some French in you despite of you being immigrated, which is not a bad thing. Unless you consider the French as bad. :D No just kidding.
Of course the situatin of Ireland is much better now than it was a few years ago. It is probably better than some other countries now. On the other end, with the international crisis and the money that will not be as abundant as it was, the situation here may get worse quickly.Quote:
Well, I think with good reason. Ireland still isn't as poor as it used to be, while Greece and Portugal e.g. are probably worse and have more rights on money. I'm not familiar with the current Irish financial situation in respect to other European countries, maybe you can enlighten me on that part.
There's a lot of American companies here. With the crisis, a lot have closed or reduce the employees by a lot. It makes the situation not as good as it was.
When the country will get less money from the EU, I suppose it willl make it even less attractive. The result will probably be some difficulties, at least for some time. They got used to have a lot of help, and they will have to find their way with less help.
On the other end, the advantage of Ireland over most of the other countries is that it's an english language country, and there's a lot of Irish in the US. This might help the country to survive better, but who knows...
At least they said yes to the Nice treaty, so they won't be look as the black sheep of the EU. This position is still left to the English.
If the admission of new members goes wrong, they WILL be the black sheep, don't be so sure it will all go well. :(Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
At least they said yes to the Nice treaty, so they won't be look as the black sheep of the EU. This position is still left to the English.
Why would they be the black sheep if the adminssion of new members does not go well? :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
If the admission of new members goes wrong, they WILL be the black sheep, don't be so sure it will all go well. :(
Is the Ukraine still the breadbasket or it is now a basketcase ?Quote:
Guys, as I have say early, today or may be tommorow evening, I ' ll write "report" about our country and near countries.
Because they got to approve it in a referendum, they chose for it knowing well that this could have serious implications on e.g. farming policy, and the institution itself. In our country we did not have a referendum on whether or not to approve this, this was decided over our heads ("democracy at work"), while in Ireland the people chose. But that is just a personal opinion, it may very well be that nobody searches to blame anyone.Quote:
Originally posted by Elrond
Why would they be the black sheep if the adminssion of new members does not go well? :confused:
As long as people here finally approved it, I don't see why it should be a bad thing. There as been other treaties for which some countries made a referendum and the others have the governement (assembly, ...) decide.Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
Because they got to approve it in a referendum, they chose for it knowing well that this could have serious implications on e.g. farming policy, and the institution itself. In our country we did not have a referendum on whether or not to approve this, this was decided over our heads ("democracy at work"), while in Ireland the people chose. But that is just a personal opinion, it may very well be that nobody searches to blame anyone.
Democracy is not working the same way in all European countries yet, so it seems fair to me that different countries have different ways of voting European decisions. There are countries where the vote is mandatory, and some where it is not. This can make a huge difference. But I don't think we should blame and country for that.
If people of Ireland had voted no this time, then the others could have blamed them. :)
I find something somewhat contradictory in your answer: you seem to suggest that a country should/could be blamed for voting against a proposal if it could turn out to be a good thing but should/could not be blamed for voting for a proposal that could turn out to give real problems.
And real problems - which may or may not be solved - seem to be coming as a result of approving that treaty. But enough about politics maybe.
Case of a good treaty:Quote:
Originally posted by Simon666
I find something somewhat contradictory in your answer: you seem to suggest that a country should/could be blamed for voting against a proposal if it could turn out to be a good thing but should/could not be blamed for voting for a proposal that could turn out to give real problems.
If your boss says: “I’ll give all of you a raise in salary, but the condition is that all of you vote yes for it. If one vote NO, no one will have the raise.” If all vote yes, no one will be blamed. If only one vote no, all the other will probably blame him. At the end of the day, the one that voted yes could have been right because it may have saved the company, but no one may ever know… :confused: Yet, the other will blame him for not saying yes to something the COULD have been good. And it fair in my opinion.
Case of a bad treaty:
If your boss says: “I’ll give all of you a cut in salary, but the condition is that all of you vote yes for it. If one vote NO, no one will have the raise.” If only one vote no, there’s little chance that anyone blame him. And if every one vote yes, you’re not entitled to blame any one else. As long as YOU have voted yes, you can't honestly blame the others for voting yes. :)
Same for the Nice treaty. I didn’t say it’s good or bad that they voted yes. I just said that the fact that Ireland voted yes shouldn't make them look as a black sheep. As all the others have voted yes (whatever means they have used: government, assembly), they can’t honestly blame Ireland for voting yes. And even you as an individual, it would not be fair to blame Ireland more than to blame your own country if you disagree with this treaty. :p :p You can still blame everyone, and there's probably quite a few people who do... :D
By the way, why is it always the second case (ask for a salary cut), and not the first case that happens in commercial companies? :(:(
Dude?! You got luxembourgh, the smallest dot on the planet and you don't have the netherlands (nor belgium) :-(. We're popular! or atleast, we'd like to think so hehe.
You seem to forget that YvesM, the only one from Luxembourgh, is moderator. "Vriendjespolitiek" is not a Belgian monopoly, it appears. :DQuote:
Originally posted by freaky_NL
Dude?! You got luxembourgh, the smallest dot on the planet and you don't have the netherlands (nor belgium) :-(. We're popular! or atleast, we'd like to think so hehe.
For the non Dutch : Vriendjespolitiek = political favoritism