hi...is there any free IDE available for doin java in WinXP?
can u gimme a link to download it?
tks..
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hi...is there any free IDE available for doin java in WinXP?
can u gimme a link to download it?
tks..
Go to http://www.java.sun.com
down load free IDE called Forte.
Be fore warned Micro$oft is under no legal obligation to write another single line for the JVM. This means that the next version of Windows may not work unless SUN gets hold of the source code and writes the JVM for Windows.
forte is too heavy...:(
and working in it is not as good as working with visual studio...:(
can u tell me why microsoft is stopping java on its windows???
that means no more java programming in windows???
we gotta have Sun machines fro programming in java???
tks...
Eclipse would be just for you.
You can get it from www.eclipse.org
ROFLMAOQuote:
Originally posted by Kirkess
This means that the next version of Windows may not work unless SUN gets hold of the source code ...
(ps; stop scaremongering)
cause microsoft got it's *** slapped in court when it modifed the java spec without permission. so its response, rather than coopperate for the benefit of all, was to withdraw supportQuote:
Originally posted by Joseph_R_Thomas
forte is too heavy...:(
and working in it is not as good as working with visual studio...:(
can u tell me why microsoft is stopping java on its windows???
that means no more java programming in windows???
we gotta have Sun machines fro programming in java???
tks...
java programming in windows will be perfectly possible, seeing as java isnt ANYTHING to do with microsoft, and kirkess is talking through his backside.. sun write the jvm, sun write teh compiler, you can write java in whatever you want.. notepad, forte, heck, even microsoft word, and compile it using sun's tools, and run it on sun's jvm.. just like java programmers have been doing since 1.0... kirkess appears not to know the difference between the Microsoft VM for java (a part of Internet Explorer) and JVM (common libraries provided by sun in order to run java programs)
you can program on a sun machine if you want.. after all, java is retaining its true original ideal that it can be written, compiled and run on ANY machine.. there is no "linux version" and "windows version" on java software download pages.. something kirkess seems to have missed
so java is still good to go????
it will still be available in windows all the way..???
no prob at all using java with microsoft???
Yup...still some life in the dry bones...
IMHO, Kirkes's comments are nothing but FUD.
And I don't quite see what, Sun getting a hold of the windows code, has to do with anything. They would never be allowed to do anything with it anyway.
To stop java from working on Windows, MS would have to change the OS, in such a way that it requires MS authentication to run all executables (Sort of like turning your PC into an XBOX).
This seems a bit unlikely (customors probably wouldn't be lining up to buy such an OS), and even if they did do such a thing, and refused to authenticate Suns java VM, Sun would then have a very good case, for a lawsuit for anticompetive behaviour.
The same applies to Suns java plugin for IE, which allows us to run applets in IE using Suns java VM.
As the situation is now, you have to download and install the java VM from Sun, for applications and applets to work properly. This will be continue to be the case for a good time yet.
KHP, living in Demark, means that you do not know how many American politicians you can buy with $40 billion. In the summer of 2001, before 9/11, Bush announced that he was going to have the US Justice Department settle its antitrust case with Micr$oft. Congress was in its summer recess, but Democratic congressmen announced that they well hold hearings when they return from their break. Bush shot back saying that Micro$oft is the only technology company in the USA to bring about a recovery for that sector. Its been 2 plus years and we are still waiting for this recovery. It is to be noted that Micro$oft along with many other tech companies are exporting more jobs out of the US of A than they are creating in the US of A.
I'am sorry I'am heading off topic fast, again.
Please don't make assumtions about what I know and don't know, you only make an *** of u and me.Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkess
KHP, living in Demark, means that you do not know how many American politicians you can buy with $40 billion.
Anyway you seem to have some very serious issues understanding how the US legal system works, this is not a political issue. Any politician would have to be quite mad to involve himself in a lawsuit between MS and Sun, if such a move failed it would mean the end of his political carreer, and quite possibly a lengthy jail term.
But lets again review what MS would have to do to shut java out of windows.
1. Create an OS(andor webbrowser) that requires all programs to be authenticated by MS. Thirdparty software developers would then have to get their software authenticated by MS. (I assume that you are willing to accept that there will always be third party software developers.)
2. MS would have to refuse to authenticate Suns JavaVM simply because it competes with one of their own products. This is about as clearcut a case of anticompetitive behaviour, as you can possibly get.
There are no if's and maybe's here, we are not discussing wheather MS is a monopoly (which is a case between MS and the US Government, which makes it a political issue).
MS shutting Java out of windows would have to be a case between MS and Sun, with the law clearly on Sun's side, and it's not like Sun hasn't beaten MS in court before.
The issue of Micro$oft’s illegal monopoly is one that every Java user should be aware of. It took a decade to break up ATT. Micro$oft has been caught many times with their hands in the cookie jar, but our legal system has only slapped their hands and said not to do it again. Our legal system is very slow. Micro$oft has the money to drag any legal challenges thru the courts.
If Sun takes Micro$oft to court because Micro$oft changes their software to block Java, Sun probably would not survive. Micro$oft has won many legal battles because the plaintiffs could not afford the continuing cost of one appeal after another. You also have to remember that the US Congress sets the law. If Micro$oft feels that their constitutional rights is being violated, they will take it to the US Supreme Court. It could take a decade before any ruling comes down. You are very naive to think that our legal system will “ride across the plains blurring their horn and arrive in the nick of time to aid Sun“.:eek:
Again, MS beeing a monopoly is not really at issue here, it doesn't make any difference regarding their ability to shutout java.Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkess
The issue of Micro$oft’s illegal monopoly is one that every Java user should be aware of. It took a decade to break up ATT.
LOL, I seriously doubt that, Sun dosn't really make much money from java on windows anyways. Sun is a hardware business, you could even argue that Sun might make money from MS shutting java out of windows, because exsisting java applications would be forced to change platform.Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkess
If Sun takes Micro$oft to court because Micro$oft changes their software to block Java, Sun probably would not survive.
Do you acctually believe MS can get congress to change the laws, at the core of the capitalist system, just so MS can win some lawsuit, are you out of your mind ?. They would have to bribe half the congressmen. Bribing that many people and keeping it secret would be completly impossible.Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkess
You also have to remember that the US Congress sets the law.
Now you are just beeing silly. You are correct that the justice system is not very fast.Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkess
You are very naive to think that our legal system will “ride across the plains blurring their horn and arrive in the nick of time to aid Sun“.:eek:
But the migration from a widely adopted and resonably open system to a completly closed system. Would probably be even slower, noone in their right mind would buy such a system untill they were forced to do so. And pretty much all third party software developers would start thinking about moving to another platform, rather than having their fate controlled by MS. And durring such a move, Sun's core business would be largely unaffected, while MS's business would be more or less in limbo.
In short I think such a move probably has a better chance of killing MS than killing Sun.
The PC industry has always moved towards common standards, and will continue to do so, evolution cannot move backwards. A PC system where MS fully controls exactly what programs you can run, would be a giant leap backwards.
It may suprise you to know that most of them are aware of it. Where do you think the major movement away from Microsoft's OS and Office products is based? Where are most Java developers based? Where is the biggest market for Java products? Sun already took Microsoft to court for meddling with Java, and won.Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkess
The issue of Micro$oft’s illegal monopoly is one that every Java user should be aware of.
Summus non Americae, eh?
Canadian National Motto
Sure, Microsoft is going to use all of its power to create a more favourable market for itself. That's certain and not in question. We are, however, discussing whether or not Microsoft could stop Java from running on Windows.
Can I just drag this back to KHP's two-step plan for Microsoft? He's exactly right. That's what they'd have to do to get Java off Windows. That ISN'T (100%, money-back guarantee, cast-iron assurance) going to happen - it would destroy all independent development (in whatever language), starving this O/S of applications (one of Window's strong points) and therefore would not be taken up by industry. Backwards-compatibility has been at the heart of Microsoft for a long time - this was demonstrated in the design of Windows NT and every version since. It would be insane for Microsoft to do anything else.
No ifs...
No buts...
No maybes....
The End.