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Bye,
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I was asked to leave, I think it s time I should do it, Perhaps somewhere on the net we ll meet again....
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Bye,
Banned again huh homey?
:rolleyes:
oh well...
This should become an annual tradition :D.Quote:
Originally posted by Deniz
Banned again huh homey?
Huh. Have we ever seen Xeon and Homestead at the same time ?
Banned? I didn't notice any unsuitable behavior demonstrated by Homestead -- though I may have missed something because I was rarely here from June to December last year.
Besides that...we (as moderators) will get this unsuitable behaviour out of public eyes... :cool:Quote:
Originally posted by aio
Banned? I didn't notice any unsuitable behavior demonstrated by Homestead -- though I may have missed something because I was rarely here from June to December last year.
Advanced programmers will always know how to select the best functions in the API_system call interface so that their project could be completed on time.Quote:
Originally posted by aio
Banned? I didn't notice any unsuitable behavior demonstrated by Homestead -- though I may have missed something because I was rarely here from June to December last year.
That's the thing in life that she might have not understood yet, or perhaps she already forgot.
????Quote:
Originally posted by Andreas Masur
Besides that...we (as moderators) will get this unsuitable behaviour out of public eyes... :cool:
Oh. She -- I thought he.Quote:
Originally posted by VuQ_Le
That's the thing in life that she might have not understood yet, or perhaps she already forgot.
Andreas probably mean that they immediately took them out whenever one occurs -- and I never did get a chance to see one.Quote:
Originally posted by VuQ_Le
????
Only when someone like your wife/mom says Yes if my questionQuote:
Originally posted by aio
Oh. She -- I thought he.
to her is the same as what you really thought of...:)
Agree ? ;)
I also Love to see it...;)Quote:
Andreas probably mean that they immediately took them out whenever one occurs -- and I never did get a chance to see one.
Poor old Homestead has been banned.
Much as I found him irritating, I can’t help feeling sorry for the poor guy. At the end of the day, his only crime was to jump into the deep end without really having the skills to keep himself afloat. This started me wondering. Should there be a virtual equivalent of a “paddling pool” at CodeGuru?
I know it sounds absurd but just run with this for a minute. As CodeGuru becomes better known and more successful it seems, like many successful web sites, to be attracting its inevitable share of the world’s dimwits. Of course, I’m not suggesting Homey was a dimwit – in fact, I’m not berating anyone in particular – but I can’t help noticing there’s been a sharp increase in the number of people who seem to be joining the forums to ask stupefyingly dumb questions. Questions like “I wrote a program which runs fine on my PC but it won’t run on my friend’s PC. What’s wrong?” Do they thing we’re a bunch of clairvoyants or something?
Even better, somebody wrote recently, “I want to design a neural network that can scan hundreds of bitmaps and learn which ones are male and which are female. Who can tell me how to do this?” (as if such an application could be knocked together in a couple of afternoons!!!) So far, I’ve resisted temptation but sometimes, I really am tempted to reply, “have you thought about finding a decent programmer and paying them to write your application?”
We all have to start somewhere and nobody likes to deride a person who’s just taking those first, tentative steps. Equally, I don’t think anyone would like to see CodeGuru becoming a site that was purely for ‘Elitists’ – but, let’s face it, how many other professions are there where the “pros” will actively provide help and encouragement to amateurs and idiots? Not many….
I didn’t realise how low the forums were sinking until I read Sam Hobbs’ thread (in Visual C++) about NULL pointers. Although it’s caused a bit of friction among some of the “big guns”, for me, it’s probably been the most interesting thread I’ve read in years. Far better than the usual, “Why doesn’t my app work?” kind of thread. This brings me back to the paddling pool idea. Is there a case for some sort of “absolute beginners” forum? A kind of “quarantine” area where everybody would have to go (when they first join) until a moderator decides they’re fit to be let loose in the rest of the site? As Andreas pointed out, the moderators already do a fair bit of “weeding” to remove posts that will just annoy everybody, so maybe it isn’t necessary – or maybe a quarantine area could be a better way of doing it. Either way, it’s just a thought…..
Any views....?
Yes...that is what Andreas meant... :cool:Quote:
Originally posted by aio
Andreas probably mean that they immediately took them out whenever one occurs -- and I never did get a chance to see one.
Well..just to point it out...we (as the moderators) do not sort out post based on the general necessity. What I was referring to are insulting posts etc. - in other words posts that violate the Acceptable Use Policy...Quote:
Originally posted by John E
As Andreas pointed out, the moderators already do a fair bit of “weeding” to remove posts that will just annoy everybody, so maybe it isn’t necessary – or maybe a quarantine area could be a better way of doing it. Either way, it’s just a thought…..
Well, i feel that Codeguru dont distinguish people according to thier knowledge. Anybody can post his/her question if it, as Andreas pointed out, is not causing so called "Noise". Anybody can reply and help and nobody from Codeguru will interfere unless it is entirely "Off-Topic".Quote:
Originally posted by John E
Hi Andy - you're spot on in saying that CodeGuru doesn't distinguish people on the basis of their programming knowledge. I'm just asking the question "is this a good thing or a bad thing?" Should there be a minimum level of skill required in order to post freely? People without that level of skill could still post in their own special forum - where they could still obtain help from any CodeGuru member. That forum could also be used for quarantining people who violate the rules. Maybe they could be sent there for a while instead of being banned.
People get banned mostly because they (repeatedly) post noise in the tech forums and/or massively cross the line in the Chit/Chat Forum. I am pozitively sure that no one ever got banned for asking dumb questions. Not to speak of the fact that monitoring each new user and deciding whether he/she is fit enough for the forums is hard work and also unpleasant for the new users. So, in my oppinion, a "Beginners" forum doesn't make much sense. I'd rather seek for a way to have beginners read the FAQ and search the forums before they ask questions.Quote:
Originally posted by John E
Hi Andy - you're spot on in saying that CodeGuru doesn't distinguish people on the basis of their programming knowledge. I'm just asking the question "is this a good thing or a bad thing?" Should there be a minimum level of skill required in order to post freely? People without that level of skill could still post in their own special forum - where they could still obtain help from any CodeGuru member. That forum could also be used for quarantining people who violate the rules. Maybe they could be sent there for a while instead of being banned.
How did you figure what the heck I was talking about ?
I didn't see any point as what you commented or you 're showing me your sensitive_NESS to what you get accustomed to everyday huh ?
I was talking about me, is it ok for you ?
Can i say that I just puked, and crawled out from my toilet ?
I still feel sour and disgusting,
bitter is my throat !
I shouldn't have drunk that much
Supposing that you are a completely begginer, realy would you like that? would you return a second time to this site?Quote:
Originally posted by John E
Poor old Homestead has been banned.
This brings me back to the paddling pool idea. Is there a case for some sort of “absolute beginners” forum? A kind of “quarantine” area where everybody would have to go (when they first join) until a moderator decides they’re fit to be let loose in the rest of the site? As Andreas pointed out, the moderators already do a fair bit of “weeding” to remove posts that will just annoy everybody, so maybe it isn’t necessary – or maybe a quarantine area could be a better way of doing it. Either way, it’s just a thought…..
Any views....?
Probably I would not return.
I think it is a very bad idea.
What we need to do (in my opinion, as a thought 'off the cuff') is to make it easier for beginners to find materials on the main site.
One of the things that I've started is sets of tutorials that teach languages. We have a C# one started by Anand. I want to do a C++ and a VB one as well. This will give us an easy place to direct beginners to read and find answers to their basic questions.
While creating special forums sounds like a great idea, what we've seen is that most beginners jump right into the primary forums and start asking their questions. We could do things with "rights" to keep people in different places; however, that brings in a number of additional issues as well as work that would need to be done to manage and subjectively decide who gets switched and when. With hundreds of thousands of people coming to this site, I don't think a manual process is realistic.
- This is a short answer. There is a lot more to be said, however, I need to step away. Later, I'll try to address this a little more as well as some of the other issues that have been raised in this thread.
John E - Keep making your constructive suggestions. They are appreciated.
Brad!
Thank you Brad. I think it's important for people to realise, as you clearly do, that CodeGuru is a brand. It's a very, very good brand but, like all brands, it can easily become devalued if its custodians don't do enough to protect it.Quote:
Originally posted by Brad Jones
John E - Keep making your constructive suggestions. They are appreciated.
I think it's great news that you guys are considering more help and guidance for beginners. Some beginners here (and I stress some) are definitely in danger of 'diluting the brand'. Without proper help and guidance, these minor problems can soon escalate and end up as more major problems. Keep up the good work!
I was looking for the AUP a couple times this past week. SomeQuote:
Originally by Andreas
in other words posts that violate the Acceptable Use Policy...
faq link or something said it was at the bottom of the forums
page. Huh, its over at internet.com.
I wouldn't say always.Someone always knows something better.Quote:
Originally by VuQ_Le
Advanced programmers will always know how to select the best
functions in the API_system call interface so that their project could be completed on time.
Perhaps we could have a "Censored by CodeGuru" private thread to view these posts. A timeQuote:
Originally by Andreas
Besides that...we (as moderators) will get this unsuitable behaviour out of public eyes...
to lay back and relax when the chit-chat thread goes wackey.
She was my little friend.She had some pretty good 'back at ya's' that have me chucklingQuote:
Originally by John E
Poor old Homestead has been banned.
right now.
Can you explain further? It looks like you are referring to actual persons which came to the board as beginners and got a bad impression (I am not familiar with the word 'diluting', thus I might actually be wrong in my assumption). I would like to know how?Quote:
Originally posted by John E
Some beginners here (and I stress some) are definitely in danger of 'diluting the brand'. Without proper help and guidance, these minor problems can soon escalate and end up as more major problems.
Aren't they are treated right by answering their questions? Were the provided answers too 'high-level'? Without getting to know what these beginners actually think it was wrong, it is much harder to change anything - as usual, you do not change anything as long as you think everything is okay...from your point of view.
Hi Andreas – I’ll have to be brief about this because I’m just about to go into a meeting. I think this is a bit like skiiing. When someone first learns to ski, you don’t send them straight out onto the main slopes with the big boys. You put them onto the nursery slopes for a while until they’ve proven themselves to have a certain level of expertise. Same with a golf club. You don’t take every applicant’s word for it that he can handle a set of golf clubs. If you did, half of them would be churning up the greens and spoiling it for the others. In fact, most clubs and societies have some minimum entry level. It’s not unusual.
Earlier today, I answered a post from someone who sounded as though he was asking how to go about distributing a computer virus. If indeed that was his intention, he shouldn’t have got onto the site in the first place. If genuine programmers come to the site and see questions like that, it will ultimately damage CodeGuru’s reputation. Equally, if people keep visiting the site and seeing the same very basic questions being asked over and over again, they’ll end up going somewhere else. Would that be CodeGuru’s loss or theirs? I don’t know the answer. I’m just asking the question.
if we had more FAQ's.....problem is 'we' don't have the time to write them. Wish there was someone that you know... that did, and we could comment on them...
too many repeat questions....
I'm sorry to disagree with you John. As long as visitors also see that the site is being policed, I don't think it will be affected. It is already a common knowledge (and most of us can understand it) that no matter how noble the purpose of the site, it will always be distrubed by some lost souls from time to time. I can't recall where I have seen it but in the past I saw one forum that devote itself to the teachings of God yet there are still some who would sneak in topics such as sex and violence.Quote:
Originally posted by John E
...
If genuine programmers come to the site and see questions like that, it will ultimately damage CodeGuru’s reputation. Equally, if people keep visiting the site and seeing the same very basic questions being asked over and over again, they’ll end up going somewhere else. Would that be CodeGuru’s loss or theirs? I don’t know the answer. I’m just asking the question.
Isn't it that that makes the site active?Quote:
Originally posted by Mick
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too many repeat questions....
Everyday there are always beginners. There will come a time when FAQ becomes so big -- it would be much easier to ask question (regardless if repeatition) than scanning FAQs.
generally those are easy to catch, because they are way overreaching in their skill level, if they have any at all. Though there have been some that have elicited a couple of responses until it gets to the point, where your pretty sure, and you just stop responding...the mod's do a good job of cleaning up the blatant ones. There are valid reasons for doing something that may or may not seem like cracker,cyberpunk intentions....Quote:
Originally posted by John E
Earlier today, I answered a post from someone who sounded as though he was asking how to go about distributing a computer virus. If indeed that was his intention, he shouldn’t have got onto the site in the first place. If genuine programmers come to the site and see questions like that, it will ultimately damage CodeGuru’s reputation.
But only the shadow knows what lies in thier hearts :) :) :)
Quote:
Originally posted by aio
Isn't it that that makes the site active?
Everyday there are always beginners. There will come a time when FAQ becomes so big -- it would be much easier to ask question (regardless if repeatition) than scanning FAQs.
It's fine to post the question without reading the FAQ's though I think people that do, need some schooling on research skills, never the less. But if we have generally acceptable FAQ's on how to resolve said issue being posted, then it's easier for members to direct the OP to the link and say READ THIS, rather than repeating in so many different ways how to go about it.
The FAQ's only become unwieldy if the are arranged in a way that makes them so.
Okay....I will try to answer several posts here, so please bare with me if I do not quote explicitly... :eek:
I can see the point about learning how to ski or how to play golf. However, in my eyes you cannot compare that necessarely. I do not think that you should categorize people based on their knowledge. Think about a person that has the most important question in his eyes (and it might actually be the most important question for him since he desparately needs to solve his current problem). For many others here this question actually might be something you would do at night while sleeping. Nevertheless, the beginner should get the same technically correct answer as a genius would get, however, if you as an experienced programmer see that the solution to his/her question is beyond his/her current scope of knowledge, you simply could add a small comment stating this. Of course not in the way like 'You are too dump for this', nevertheless a small indication like 'This is a very complex topic which requires in-depth knowlegde about this and that, so you should first get this knowledge to actually understand what is going on and why the mentioned solution is the correct one' would help...okay...maybe you should use a little bit shorter sentence but I guess you get my point.
In regard to the experienced developers coming here...if you would follow the rule, that new members should start within their own playground, we would need to get the experienced developer as well into that kindergarten. I would think, he would not even bother to post one answer... :cool:
And having a kind of test to determine the amount of knowledge is of course neither practical nor suitable.
I agree definitely, that we need far more FAQs though. The problem is simply to get people to actually write some and submit them. If you look at the current FAQs, you will notice that all of them are submitted by a very few number of members. I agree of course that a beginner would not necessarely be able to provide an in-depth FAQ about a topic, however, there are definitely more members than these few which could provide a FAQ. Nevertheless, as being mentioned, for many of us it is of course an issue of getting the time to actually write some.
The FAQs of course should be somehow easy accessible and there should preferrable be the ability of doing a search within them. This if not the case at the moment, however, we are continously trying to improve the site and the forum. Any ideas etc. are more than welcome and can be sent to any moderator or to the Feedback forum.
I guess I have more or less answered all of the mentioned points...if not, simply yell at me... :cool:
I don't mind commenting on FAQ's but were I to sit down and write one, I'd never finish ;) Too much of a perfectionist with an attention disorder....
I just come to say that you have a really nice constructive ideas, I also like really much some people here s rhetoric and especially their common senses. I stress some ( If you need me to make it clearer, I ll try to draw myself before you ):)
Brad!,
I would like to say a thing that if Brad and other site managers already intended to add some new features, as Brad said, to the forums, I would be really glad, and happy because new bies like me can learn alot. True !
But please dont do or mean to do something like "you know less, I know more" policy :(
About any other problems that Brad wanto tell me, it s fine, just send me notes or nice lecture, I ll reading them all, true !!!
Sincerely,
FionaA
We must make the best waffles on the internet - everyone keeps
coming back for more :wave:
Yes, it s everyone, not me :) I come back for less...:wave:Quote:
Originally posted by mdmd
We must make the best waffles on the internet - everyone keeps
coming back for more :wave:
Thanks mdmd, you re my big friend...True !
I think regulation should be done not for the poster but to those who replies. I think such posts are increasing lately. Most of these threads have few things in common, the poster is a beginner (or beginner+), the question as well as the answer is simple. The poster has few possibly 1-3 (mostly one) posts. Yet the thread grows with debate over a small issue into 2-4 pages, and sometimes the thread spawns another thread to continue with the debate(so that the mods won't complain). Is this sort of 'overkill'? Yes it is. Such threads only confuses the beginners. And these posters(with the reply) with these arguments are not tring to prove the point, they are only trying to prove themselves. Sorry to say, but this is the reality.
Now about biginners post, if it is a frequently asked question or very simple, and if you don't like it,either ignore or politely point out to other helps (cg faq, msdn, google...) rather than repelling the beginners by calling them lazy or accusing them. I think the mods will agree with me (tell me otherwise). John's ex. cannot be compared with this scenario, although I like his suggestion(not practical though). One is learning to ski, other is some doubts about the teqnique. One of the problem with the current system is that you post in some active forums, and because of the current your post may not stay afloat, therby missing someone who may know the answer to the problem.I think the best solution is to create more specific forums.
Talking about hometown(or homestead), one of the first fights she had is with me. Since then I used to ignore her, though I read most of her 'offtopic' posts. She is just a *******, who is best to be ignored, but what if those posts are abusing, insulting with gigantic fonts. I guess that was the latest act that led her to be banned(for the 4th time if I'm correct). The hawk eyed mods were quick enough to delete those before the sharp eyed aio could notice ;) :D. Anyway personal attacks, at any rate, in public forums shouldn't be tolerated. Personally I feel sorry for hometown, thinking when will she ever learn what everyone has been telling.
[Andreas]: Commented out one part...
You mean like these perhaps ?Quote:
Originally by Mathew Joy
Anyway personal attacks, at any rate, in public forums shouldn't be tolerated
Quote:
Originally by Mathew Joy
She is just a ********, who is best to be ignored
Quote:
Originally by Mathew Joy
Personally I feel sorry for hometown, thinking when will she ever learn what everyone has been telling
[Andreas]: Edited quote...
Well, you may feel like that in the first quote, but if you were reading her posts and if you are speeking neutrally you won't feel. Just a natural discription. She herself have partially admitted that. Second is in no way an attack...it is just an advice. Make me wonder why did you quote those.
Moreover I was talking about a person (character) who is banned, not someone who is active.
Who are you longing on as now :cool:Quote:
Banned Homestead says
I was asked to leave, I think it s time I should do it, Perhaps somewhere on the net we ll meet again....
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Bye,
Currently as Rumba:D
CharlestonQuote:
Originally posted by Platinum Plus
Who are you longing on as now :cool:
Eli101:confused: :D