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See How To Ask Questions The Smart Way. That is interesting; most of what it says that is relevant to these forums is very much like what is said by forum members and moderators.
See in particular:
Use meaningful, specific subject headers
Volume is not precision
Don't claim that you have found a bug
Don't flag your question as "Urgent", even if it is for you
Follow up with a brief note on the solution
Your link doesn't have a URL... I think you meanQuote:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Yes, that is the exact link I meant to include.
The problem is that sometimes the buttons for inserting "vB Code" don't work sometimes. This has been happening for two or three days; sometimes they work and sometimes they don't work. So I have been typing in the vB Code stuff myself. I should have tested the link, though; I usually do and in this situation it would have been especially important. I did however use my mouse to verify that the other links have addresses. I had intended to check to see if there is already a thread from anyone else with the problem but I did not yet do that. I have been having many other strange things happening so there might be something wrong with my system. I hope that if anyone does have a problem such as that or related to that then they will respond in a separate thread instead of this one.
Hmm...so going according to it, if the answer is in the MSDN I can say Read The F***ing Manual to the OP. Or maybe Search The F***ing Web. And when someone posts a thread with the subjectI can say that your subject is stupid. Or maybe if someone flag as urgent I can start flaming.Quote:
HELP! Video doesn't work properly on my laptop!
...Just to mention a few...
I'm sure if I respond like this, the mods will ban me.
That site seems to be for techies like people from International Space Station for instance. The headings is accepted here, in a good sense, but not the way it is explained. Not a single one.
It is very, very, very interesting and highly indicative that you interpret that that way. There are many other ways that it would be interpreted.Quote:
Originally posted by Mathew Joy
.... I can say that your subject is stupid. Or maybe if someone flag as urgent I can start flaming.
I very much appreciate getting your thoughts.
You didn't quote me out of context, did you Sam? I never ment to say that the subject of "this" thread is stupid.
The summary of my comment is that, though each of the topics mentioned there can be take as it is, in a wider and a good sense, it cannot be taken the way it is explained.
I tried not to. Did I not try enough? Note that I added the "...." to attempt to indicate that there was more preceding the portion I provided. Also note that previous quotes are automatically eliminated when quoting, so if I had left the quote as they were, it would have been confusing.Quote:
Originally posted by Mathew Joy
You didn't quote me out of context, did you Sam?
Note that your entire post is right above what I quoted. Therefore I assume people will have read all your words just prior to reading what I quoted. That is very, very different from a situation in which a quote is taken from somewhere else. In this situation, the entire context is conveniently available with total accuracy.
how do you feed someone that is not hungry? force it down their throat?
It's not a bad faq to link to (though umm isn't this suppose to fall under common sense?), but it's still not going to make anyone read it...
got some humour out of this...ohh how I wish...
a vast majority of the questions can simply be answered via research. Lazy sods!!!!Quote:
Answering one good question is like feeding a hungry person one meal, but teaching them research skills by example is teaching them to grow food for a lifetime.
No, Mathew, I think you misunderstood Sam's post, he just meant you did show him what you really thought of especially about what he thought of, and he did respect what you were saying and that s all...Quote:
Originally posted by Mathew Joy
You didn't quote me out of context, did you Sam? I never ment to say that the subject of "this" thread is stupid.
The summary of my comment is that, though each of the topics mentioned there can be take as it is, in a wider and a good sense, it cannot be taken the way it is explained.
So I think it s you who didnot quote him out of context.... It s just a misunderstaning anyway, right ? :)
I think teh idea od this thread is also good to reference, though I actually myself find that it is hard for me to make an eaily understandable question to get help from people...But there are still many facts out there in real real real life which can tell me that we can just say by words but unable to make it work...or it is just for some time at some place, undefined...
No, home, I was only making sure that he didn't. In a glance it seems.Quote:
Originally posted by Charleston
No, Mathew, I think you misunderstood Sam's post
Well...we would rather edit your comments first... :cool:Quote:
Originally posted by Mathew Joy
I'm sure if I respond like this, the mods will ban me.
...next you'll warn me...then you'll ban me, right?:D :DQuote:
Originally posted by Andreas Masur
Well...we would rather edit your comments first... :cool:
I know the sequence from my familiarity with the activities of CG.:D
as long as your not being a zipper head all the time then no worries, otherwise I would have been gone long ago :pQuote:
Originally posted by Mathew Joy
...next you'll warn me...then you'll ban me, right?:D :D
I know the sequence from my familiarity with the activities of CG.:D
Only 29 posts more Mick:D ...I'm waiting...:)
Gasp! Xe*n???Quote:
Originally posted by Mathew Joy
I know the sequence from my familiarity with the activities of CG.:D
Me:confused: Xeon :confused: You must be kidding:D We both have almost exact nature (atleast in public) :rolleyes: . BTW he is not banned, is he? Might be warned!!!Quote:
Originally posted by SolarFlare
Gasp! Xe*n???
I sure did not understand SolarFlare's comment because I sure know that you are not Xeon.
It was just a joke... last we know, Xeon is afc in the army.
Well, my thought...
If people did their own research before posting and we only got intelligent and hard questions, then, well, then practically nobody could answer any of them ;)
This is to say that I don't really mind if people post questions that can be found by looking through MSDN. When you begin programming, the MSDN docs are daunting and you'll spend two days trying to find what you need. I may be exagerating a bit, but this was the case when I started off. However, of course, the ultimate goal for *that poster* is that he learns to search MSDN himself.
On the other hand, the "precise question" thing is definitely important on CG. There are quite a few posts every day where somebody replies : "you are doing something wrong, show your source code".
And well, the matters of common curtousy... I *hate* people who put in their post "Send any replies to [email protected]".
For the practical side of things, it may be a good article to link to. There are always people who don't take notice of things like these, but there sure are people who have good faith and don't knowingly want to do stuff wrong.
It would be interesting to define what are good questions. It is more difficult to do that than to define bad questions.
I often want to know where to look for an answer. For example I asked how to get the destination address of a UDP packet. The answer I got was the raw sockets function to use for that. I don't need sample code but it sure helps to know that the function will do what I asked about. For some reason I could not understand how I could use raw sockets with CAsyncSocket but now I probably know how to do many things now that I know I can use raw sockets. I think a question is good when a beginner can make a big leap such as that.
So in other words, when someone is not sure where to even look for answers and someone else can answer immediately or nearly immediately where to look, then that is where a forum such as this can be especially effective.
I agree with Yves here. And I think there should be a new guideline not to post anything like that. This defeats the whole purpose of the existance of CG. When the discussion and the solution is posted in public forums it benefits all who view them, not just the one who is having the problem.Quote:
Originally posted by Yves M
And well, the matters of common curtousy... I *hate* people who put in their post "Send any replies to [email protected]".
I know that you can't mix raw sockets with TCP. If you are talking about SOCK_DGRAM (UDP) of CAsyncSocket,...well not much idea. You can post your qn. Those who know may answer and those who don't know may learn:) :cool:Quote:
Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
For some reason I could not understand how I could use raw sockets with CAsyncSocket but now I probably know how to do many things now that I know I can use raw sockets.
:thumb:
I posted a question in the Microsoft Networks programmer newsgroup and a Microsoft person suggested using WSARecvMsg with my CAsyncSocket UDP listener program. That function is not easy to figure out; that is, filling in the WSAMSG structure. I have not spent as much time as I should to try to figure it out so I am not asking for help with it now. If you can help, then we should do it in another thread or offline from these forums. However I will spend some more time working on a solution before I ask for help.
I assume you are the same Mathew Joy I see in the Microsoft Networks programmer newsgroup, so I know you know a lot more about that stuff than I do.
Since I know that the discussion is deviating away from the topic, I'll leave with an advice, you'll never regret following. One of the reasons you didn't get the reply is, you are using winsock at the high level (MFC) and having problem with the low level (raw). People there may not be well aware of how MFC is handling the calls, simply because it is not worth figuring it out. If you want to have good knowledge of the working of winsock and its underlying principles, you simply cannot use general wrapper classes. MFC may have wrapped many apis well, but when it comes to winsock it is no where near the mark. So your option is either use MFC for simple communications or use apis to have control and use it efficiently. Since you are more into the technical side (as I see) pick MFC by the collar and throw it out of your backdoor and I'm sure it'll relieve you from unnecessary backstrain.
When it comes to winsock, (apis ofcourse) always ready to help and learn :)
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Yes I realize that about use of MFC and such. Also, I did get an answer to my question, as I indicated here previously. I was able to use raw sockets with MFC. I realize there is a limit to how much I can do by mixing MFC and raw sockets.
I assume the reasons I did not get responses to my follow-up questions is that I made a mistake, I have not researched the matter enough myself and I asked the question poorly.
You mean you "didn't ask the question The Smart Way?"Quote:
Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
I assume the reasons I did not get responses to my follow-up questions is that I made a mistake, I have not researched the matter enough myself and I asked the question poorly.
/Couldn't resist :p
Well I don't much care about asking questions the smart way. IfQuote:
Originally posted by Mathew Joy
Since I know that the discussion is deviating away from the topic, I'll leave with an advice, you'll never regret following. One of the reasons you didn't get the reply is, you are using winsock at the high level (MFC) and having problem with the low level (raw). People there may not be well aware of how MFC is handling the calls, simply because it is not worth figuring it out. If you want to have good knowledge of the working of winsock and its underlying principles, you simply cannot use general wrapper classes. MFC may have wrapped many apis well, but when it comes to winsock it is no where near the mark. So your option is either use MFC for simple communications or use apis to have control and use it efficiently. Since you are more into the technical side (as I see) pick MFC by the collar and throw it out of your backdoor and I'm sure it'll relieve you from unnecessary backstrain.
When it comes to winsock, (apis ofcourse) always ready to help and learn :)
:thumb:
I can't figure out what is being asked then I don't answer.
(OK sometimes I answer anyway :D)
But I sure like to read thinhgs like what Matthew Joy posted above. ahh... the CSocket nightmare. How much time has been
wasted by those stinking classes? Just can't get enough of
MFC bashing.
You know, my friend once asked me if I could prove 1+1=n [n=integer]
Does it sound crazy ? I did think it was just a silly question, absolutely not mathematical at all, but he is fun and I laughed so much when I understood why 1+1=n, I wont tell you, and please dont ask because now it is so trivial for me and for you still sounds so strange. Dont worry, we are human, and we have our own curiousity about many things, do you have such a feeling?
True, I think it is so trivial, so common, and if you ask me why, I would say you didnt make a smart question, because that is what I personally think about what is mine-here it is my problem (1+1=n). I now know its solution, but you dont. But my friends know much more...
So what is a smart question to me ?
If a lot of people say it is a good question, so, we admit it s a good question, Newb's questions are hard to be said smart by gurus right ?
I think it is just like rumors, for example, rumor1+rumor2+rumor3+rumor4+.....rumorn=Defame
I really like to see difererent pieces of information from diferernt sources to improving things, making them much better, my eyes really get itchy when so much information comes from different pointers which are sharing the same address. True :)
To make things more clear, when I said reply, I meant reply for the follow-up questions (I checked your question before posting)Quote:
Originally posted by Mathew Joy
One of the reasons you didn't get the reply is...
I assumed you did.Quote:
Originally posted by Mathew Joy
(I checked your question before posting)