I am a Chinese college student majoring in Software Engineering.
I just want to know how the world think about China, about Shanghai, and about the Information Technology of China.
Please give me your opinions. THX.
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I am a Chinese college student majoring in Software Engineering.
I just want to know how the world think about China, about Shanghai, and about the Information Technology of China.
Please give me your opinions. THX.
China is ok.
I would like to ask one question. Does every one in China knows Kung Fu and whatever Martial Arts (like its shown in the movies, where it seems like if you mess with any Chineez, you'll get a kick, where it hurts....Ooouch) ;)
In Economics side, China is really kicking some asses. In my country, most the smaller industry is being taken over by Chineez products, and it seems like in the next 10-20 years, there will be no small industry around.
Technology, most of the electronics in my market has the label of China over them.
Going by Ejaz's example, are all Chinese elders, also sages who write fortune cooky proverbs?
Regarding fortune cookies, it is actually being invented in America. :eek:
I learnt that when watching a documentary on American food. yam yam... make me feel hungry. :D
I like China, I know some people that were from there and they went back when China had that SARS scare.
Ha~ It seems that our Kung Fu is mysterious in many foreigners' mind. Actually, it's not so powerful as you think. Like you just mentioned, what you've seen is just in movies. And Learning Kung Fu is not to attack, just to improve your health, in Chinese we say it "强身健体".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ejaz
Most of us know Kung Fu, but not every one can really play it.
We will teach you Kung Fu if you come along with us. HaHa ~~~;)
I dont undestand whay teh need to pop it up as a theme for a repeated song time after time. If I were a Chinese, I would bring stuff like how long i have been away from communists to join the parties of the zoologists.
Ok, in return I can teach you programming, so I guess its a deal, Kung Fu for Programming. I guess when I'll return from China, I'll be called as "Sholien Programmer" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
Another thing I like about China is how you guys build your houses out of ice, and how there are penguins everywhere. Thats really cool. And the polar bears are really cool too. China is great! :thumb:
:confused: Huh?? I didn't know there are Igloos in China? I thought those are found in more northern countries like Alaska, Greenland, Canada, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deniz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igloo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo
// Oh, I get it... is that a joke, Deniz?? :D
// Or maybe not. Im confused. :confused:
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Originally Posted by che_rish
Sorry, I was thinking of the polar regions.
China is where they have the camel caravans, and the nomads, the belly dancers, the kebabs & the deserts & the pyramids, am I correct? :confused:
Oh, and yeah... my comment about China:
I think China is starting to catch up on IT. And with plenty of people, a lot of economists (im not sure if that's correct) are seeing a pretty bright future for this big Asian country. I agree. :)
Whatever. :p :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deniz
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Originally Posted by che_rish
No no no, I know...
China is the place where they have the massive rainforests & the giant river with anacondas & piranhas & stuff isn't it?
No?
Is it the place with the zebras & elephants & monkeys running around?
No?
:p
Just kidding, no offense to anyone from China. Sorry if I offended anyone.
About today's China... Well, I think you should get rid of communism. I believe there is not too much freedom of expression there, which sucks. (correct me if I'm wrong) I believe you prepare hard to win the most gold medals at the 2008 Olympics. ;) (But we'll be you again at gymnastics :D) And I'm sorry to say it, but I don't like to buy things made in China. They have a "magical" property of breaking when you least expect it, often very soon after you bought it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
And what's all that talking about nuclear war if USA supports Taiwan? I think some people there should be fired.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I just told my opinion.
the great main land... its cool, I like chinese movies a lot, but thy are mostly produced in hong kong I guess...
Stephen Chow Rocks...!!!:D:D
Morning all
I am new to this forum so I hope you do not mind me joining in your conversation
I just wanted to say thank you to Deniz for making me smile on a monday morning before the caffeine kick has hit, greatly appreciated
As I heard of, generally live in China is very poor. But considering government efforts and great people resources it's making valuable steps in technologies. Stronger government may lead country to orders more "governmental" success, that is impact of the country, irregarding of generally poor personal life level. There is a "diagram" (joke mainly, but looks reasonable) of lowering the impact of Russia because of switch of economics. Say, under strong government 80% of nation power is directed towards "governmental" needs:USA:Code:|-------------------------------------------80%,gov----------------------------------------------|-----------------20%,civ---------------|
After switch to market economy natural order is 20% for governmental purposes, and since nothing appears out of nothing, it can be resulted only of lowering of governmental resources:Code:|-------------------------------------------80%,gov----------------------------------------------|
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Now, taking into account decay of USSR:Code:|----5%,gov----|--------------------20%,civ---------------------|
P.S. don't notice specific numbers.Code:|-3%,gov-|------------15%,civ--------------|
I dont think you have much control over choosing what's made where.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
I am pretty certain that a sizeable fraction of the PC you are writing from came from China.
Every Semiconductor Electronics Major has a factory out there. Names like Canon, etc make (and have been making since long) high quality cameras and electronics in China.
I am very happy with the quality and durability of these products.
- My Canon Rebel 2000 SLR is manufactured there.
- So is my Canon S50 Digital Camera.
- iPOD is manufactured in China.
- Intel has invested in (yet) another chip manufacturing facility in China
Do you still have doubts about quality of Made In China?
Perhaps, you are talking of things like cheap DVD Players that cost 30 USD?Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
Well, in that case one gets what one pays for.
(Actually, even these tend to last their guarantee period.)Where? Only in China, or in the US as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
(Me thinks: in both places!)
The things I would say need improvement out there are Freedom of Expression, Human Rights, etc.
As a manufacturing hub, IMHO China has shaped itself wonderfully and positioned itself beautifully.
However, these are just my opinions... ;)
You've offended me? HaHa~~~ May be a little, but never mind. I just want to hear your opinions to China from your hearts.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
I won't deny that the citizens of China is not so rich as most of your country. And the people is fairly poor in many mountainous areas. But this condition is being improved day after day, by our great party, CCP.
Dear cilu, you mentioned that we should get rid of communism. If you have a chance to come to China in the future, you may know the exact definition of "communism" in our mind, which is somewhat different from your imagination.
You've said "I believe there is not too much freedom of expression there", but in the past 21 years, my expression has never been restricted. And trust me, the freedom of expression here, at least, is no less than USA.
And you've also said that our products have a "magical" property of breaking when you least expect it, often very soon after you bought it. OK, I don't know why. Is the quality of our products not so good as promised? But the products I use work well. And I believe it is just an exception. The products can be exported have no problem in quality.
Thank you all above for giving the opinions to my motherland no matter your comment is praise or criticism.
I love my motherland, because I think it is a great country for it has taken great changes in the passed 20 years. And I hope that one day people of the world will know more about China.
I love programming. Because I think the softwares are bringing happiness to people all of the world. And the goal of us, who devotes himself into IT, is to make the people live more happy by our technology.
OK, Thank you above who gave your opinions.
And any further opinions will be welcomed.
Good Day!
P.S. Type out so much words in English is rather a taugh thing for English is my foreign language. Haha :)
What I like most is the patience Chinese people show in nurturing Bonsai trees, because taking care of a Bonsai needs a lot of work and patience.
PS. We should do this for every country
Bonsai is a Japanese art, not chinese.Quote:
Originally Posted by HanneSThEGreaT
What? Making Bonsais? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HanneSThEGreaT
Do you know that many plant lovers dont like this (so-called art-form) for it involves artificially depriving a proper infant tree of water and nutrients so that it grows stunted?
I wonder what makes people think that stunting the growth of an (otherwise) 40 feet high Mango Tree in a 5-inch pot is comfortable for the little sapling?
I object, your greatness... :)
Japanese Bonsai originates from China. -_-!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
Perhaps, true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
But, in the context of the post by Hannes, I must add that it is prevalently practised in Japan, and not in China (the country of Origin) - and usually marketed in the outside world as a JA art.Quote:
the origin of bonsai was thought to have taken root in China and then transferred to Japan during the middle of the Heian period (794-1185). When the plant reached the Japanese island, however, regional gardening techniques influenced the development of bonsai in Japan, distinguishing it from the Chinese variety.
Or is it still prevalent in China (and we hear nothing of it)?
Well, what's the average salary in your country? I'm curious comparing to Romania.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
Perhaps the 2008 Olympics. Perhaps. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
My "imagination" of communism comes from my country's 50 years experience with communism. Yes, I was only 10 when the regime collapsed, but I know pretty much about those times.
At least, no less that in USA?! *ROTFL* Come on...Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
I mainly talk about textile products (which along with the ones made in Turkey are the worst. EU, and I believe USA as well, have started imposing some restrictions on the textile products imported from China.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
I mean no offence, but that depends on each one's standards. Perhaps I expect more that you do. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
What I've said about the Chinese and Turkish products is not just my opinion, it is the general opinion in Romania. (At the oposite pole are things made in Germany.)
I was referring to those people from the Chinese army that suggested such a possibility of nuclear war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sid
PS: BTW, ErwinChen, are you a member of the Communist Party? (Just currios ;) )
PPS: Sid, I think my CAnon A70 digital camera, bought from USA, is also made in China (and no complain whatsoever, so far. ;) ) My DVD Player is for sure.
The problem with the consumer is that he expects to get things cheap, but also complains when he loses his job due to international competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
Out here (in Germany) there are people aplenty crying foul that Chinese Goods are killing local markets.
But strangely enough, these are the very people who will go to Woolworth and buy a Jacket that costs a measly 7 €s.
It is a classic case of wanting to have one's cake and eat it too! :D
BTW, Cilu, there is very little Made in Germany that the Germans place trust in, today... Correctly said: Perhaps, there is very little that is Made In Germany today!
My colleague Andi just proudly announced (when asked about manufacturing in Germany):
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Originally Posted by Sid's Colleague Andi
OK, I always thought it was primarily a Chinese Practise. Thanx for all the info, I've learnt something new again! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
No, I meant a thread like what Erwin started. (What do you think about whatever countryQuote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
No problem :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
There are just very much cheap (and therefore low-quality) products produced in China. In 90x Russia (as well as I think many other USSR countries) was overfilled with such chinese products because market of imported things just opened and as most cheap and without that much of competition they were successfully being sold.
Now they are widely forced out by more high-quality products, but in many most poor trade stalls traders with pride place notes on some products: "made NOT in China". :D
Ditch the communist party and start a democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
I am a classmate of ErwinChen,of couse ,from China
he give me the URL,and ask me to say some thing to support him
first:
I hava to say:I can't believe what you had say,my darling ErwinChen.
compare with USA,it need a long time to get the level about the freedom of expression.
cilu!
*ROTFL*with you together! but it had change great,believe me.
communism in China is not as in you mind;Deng xiaopin a lead of CCP chang our mind about it,A thing is a good thing if and only if it can lead people a good life,communism is just one of it.
average(GDP/1200million)is about US$1000,it is very low,but thing in china is cheap;I get a low pay for the produce I made is cheap,and other make is cheap too,I can buy it with the few money,except it from other country;it is so low because 1US$=8.xx￥；America government want it get 1to4 or much more for it can make American think Chinese thing is dear; then don't buy it;
then talk about the quality:
Germanic is good I hava to say;it also the reason the produce from other contury is expensive in China ,but many people buy it;
a T-shirt $100 can use 5year,average 20 a year
a T-shirt $10 can use 1year,average 10 a year
the last one is made in china,if a will you,i will buy the $10 one,for it cheap and I can change it often to in;(but buy TV I may buy the $100,I don't want to mend it often)Adidas and Nick have factor in china,if its quality is so bad ,do you think the main company in America will let the prouduce into the world wild markets?
Ejaz:
as I live in China since born,I never saw Kung Fu(excpet in the movie)
we lost most of old thing when China developing,just for it can't make money and lead good life.in china the time spend on Chinese is much less than on English,we use most time to learn Math physics chemistry and so on which are natural science ,but most chinese old science are not about it,so young don't learn it,the life in city is not different from developed country (the form not the level)
at last:
many people earn less than US$100/year in china(say it out may lose china's face but it the fact),but it will change,we need time, if we are worried about the food tomorrow do you think I will mind about human rights on politics and other;every one love his motherland,no matter it rich or poor;
chinese also!
I am not a member of the Communist Party,but I don't oppose it,only CCP can make China level off,we feel the pain in the 2ed world war last century
and now is poor only level off society can develop,we won't break it,at less now!
ps:my Engilsh is so poor,mistake is in it,don't laugh me about it,THX,
I write it for more than 2hours;
pm me.
any opinion:welcome;
You must be mistaken. GDP (Gross Domestic Product) must be much higher. ;) What you have given is the annual average income per employer. Well, it's lower than in Romania. Here is about $1800 (not sure about the exact figure).Quote:
average GDP is about US$1000
Then you are very patient... ;) Now, I understand the expression we have here in Romania (perhaps elsewhere too) "Chinese job" or "a job for a chinese", meaning something that requires a lot of time and patience... :DQuote:
I write it for more than 2hours;
When I think of China and inexpensive products, what comes to mind for me is child labor and intellectual theft.
I've seen companies outsource products to China, which never made sense to me, then those same products all of a sudden show up as knock-off products where the outsourced product is manufactured illegally and sold for practically nothing, which I suppose is a side-benefit to using children in the manufacturing process.
We would never allow that in the USA, but corporate greed turns a blind-eye to it being done "over there" since the dollar saved is able to be put into the corporate coffers.
Ah, you have shattered my dreams, I thought that I could be the first Kung Fu Programmer, developing programs while doing some Kata :cry: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by be_should
A piece of advice, don't put your e-mail address in the public forums, it can easily be used for spamming or other purposes. Instead use PM (Private Messaging). :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by be_should
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Originally Posted by ErwinChen
Heh heh heh... :p
I concur :lol: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Deniz
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by YourSurrogateGod
Hi YSG. Nice to see you again.... btw, what happened to your bunny?
Stew :) .Quote:
Originally Posted by che_rish
That's what I've been talking about dude! yum yum yum! :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by YourSurrogateGod
:lol: I see. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by YourSurrogateGod
HaHa. No. I have no interest in politics. And I think there still many improvements for CCP to do. But my father is a member of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
He means that we don't have the Kung Fu which can help you fly into the sky just with a skip. Something like that can only be happened in fairy tales. So you can still hold the dream to be a "Kung Fu Programmer". Haha~ :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ejaz
You should be more confident. You English is quite well. They may also make some mistakes if they give their replies in Chinese. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by be_should
Mickalese is a pretty easy language to learn...Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
Let me guess. Made up language by Mick?Quote:
Originally Posted by YourSurrogateGod
Either that or Micronesia...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deniz
I remeber seeing Kung Fu Hustle in chinese... I didn't understand much of the film
But, somehow it was quite entertaining.
Well, do they teach you that at the communism classes in school? Building the golden age of communism in China? I'm asking because until 15 years ago in Romania at TV, in books, at schools, it was all about "building the socialism on the highest peaks of progress", and other thing like that. Sounds like you. (don't take it as an offence, is not my intention).Quote:
Originally Posted by ErwinChen
OK, it seems you have misunderstood what I mean. May be my English is good enough to express myself exactly. Or It's not appropriate to use the word "World" here. I just want to say I love IT, because it bring many happiness to me. It's the software such as IE that enable us to exchange our opinions on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by cilu
And communism never taught us to "SAVE" the world. I must mention, once again, that the communism in our country is different from in Romania. :)
chinese are very week at english(of cource it involves myself :blush: )
I'm a software student too,we had a chinese student at our college :D
we had a cource, its name was Profeccenal english language for Computer Science Students..and its teacher was a rude woman,he was very week at this cource and at last one of our classmates took his final exam instead of him by tricking the teacher :D
some of these teachers are so noodle... :p :D
he was a nice student..but he was not good at his lessons, I think he came back china because I didn't see him anymore :sick: