What Do You Think Of Pornography?

Hi guys, i Just want to see opinions from computer professionals about this matter. Some people might hate it while others might NOT hate it..

As my prsonal opinion, I think it is seriously dangerous for human expeciall men and kids.. I heard lots of true stories about men who lost their mariage, family and love because of prono addictions.. even from my closest friends and family (most people won't tell, but we know when we are very close to them) I also think that most prons are a disgrace to the woman, because how woman are manipulated and used as a mere tools for sex, with no respect! :sick:

There is a talk show here in my country, and the guy(phsycologist) said there are mitos about porn that men believes is true, that is that woman actually loves how they are treated in the porn movies, but in reality, majority of woman hates it...!!! And I believe Him (th psycologist..):)

So, I'm hoping if you guys could give opinion on this matter.. ;) Is you country have any pron web blocking or is it provided by the service provider or it is up to individual to choose whether to block or not..

My idea is to let the Goverment to post a law to block this kind of stuff... this matter has already went to our HIGH LEVEL MINISTERS ATTENTION and, i guess they would com up with something good soon, expecially our new PM is very honest, democratic, people friendly and religious... Thusbs Up to PAK LAH :thumb:

http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/commu...pic.php?t=1282

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...353212143.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/miranda-d...353539758.html

http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com/


etc etc etc

It's a huge problem out there and no one is safe. No family can protect their kids eyes. It is in our homes. It is efficient. It is degrading and it is filth. It creates mental problems in people and who knows what the future generations sexual abuse & divorce statistics are going to be because of this.

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Maybe some are not really good especially that movies which dispise women in their humanity.

But i dont think that some kind of erotic movies are "seriously dangerous for human", because sex is a normal and natural thing and i also think there is no reason to hide that in your everyday life.
Compare to that thread apout the "Hot-Coffee-Mod-Thread" about GTA-San Andreas, I think that in some countries the public still can not handle their sexuality in a reasonably way.

And no kid will be harmed if it sees some breasts in a tv-spot or at the beach....
(so in my country this is allowed ..)

So, you would be ok to see your own daughter flaunting her stuff in a magazine one day?

My opinion is: (Now I'm trying to be serious, so bear with me) :p

I disagree totally thooomy. My sister and her kid lives in my house, her son is 8 years old. If we get a chance to watch a dvd, everyone watches. 7 out of 10 movies have either sex scenes in it, or talks about some sexual terms, which I think is bad. Now the kid asks me waht does **** mean? What is ***? What are they doing now?

I honestly don't want to explain it to him.

Now you might say:
Why do I let the kid watch the movies.
My reply: If I knew that those things were going to be in there, I would try to prevent him from watching.
Now you might say there is a rating system on the movies. I agree.
BUT, especially with the movies that talk about certain things, there is only a Language restriction. :confused:

Face it, no one can stop the filth. But I just want a better rating system on the movies - or something so that I know what to expect in the movie and what not.

I hope you see my point.

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Originally Posted by HanneSThEGreaT

I honestly don't want to explain it to him.

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Why not ?

Someday, he learn it anyway.. (if it is with 10 or 12 ... )

Did he never saw his mother naked in the bathroom or something ?
Do you think that this is dangerous ?
I think it is really important that a kid learn about men and woman, particularly in big cities, where young teens have their first sex at the age of 14 or even younger... parents who dont tell their kids about sex cannot prevent them of getting pregnant or to teach them how safer sex works....
.. okay i am getting off-topic

Porn is absolutely nothing for kids... i totally agree about that...

but a tv-spot where you can see a naked torso of woman in a shower
NOT a problem ...why it should be ???

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Originally Posted by Deniz

So, you would be ok to see your own daughter flaunting her stuff in a magazine one day?

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i dont WANT to see her in a magazine .... but i dont think that it is dangerous for other people..
and if its art (yes ... it dont have to be porn if there are naked people on pictures) it would not disturb me
EDIT: if she is old enough !

All i would say :
"Its Pretty Abstract and Uniquely dependent on one's perception on it"


Confucious, buddism and Jesus Teaching Bless you all !!

Advise :
Just try to avoid those contents from the underage as much as you can .. ;-P

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Originally Posted by thooomy

Why not ?

Someday, he learn it anyway.. (if it is with 10 or 12 ... )

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Perhaps true, but I would prefer a much older age, where he actually understands the consequences of his actions

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Originally Posted by thooomy

Did he never saw his mother naked in the bathroom or something ?
Do you think that this is dangerous ?

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No
Yes

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Originally Posted by thooomy

I think it is really important that a kid learn about men and woman, particularly in big cities, where young teens have their first sex at the age of 14 or even younger... parents who dont tell their kids about sex cannot prevent them of getting pregnant or to teach them how safer sex works....

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That's exactly my point! pregnant at 14!! :eek: How will the parents of the baby support the baby???????? :confused:

@Thoomy : yes, sex is normal thing, but violence, disgrace and exploitations in every porn is NOT normal..

well, an growing kids are most curious.. 8 years old see naked woman, 10 watch porn, 12 do it yourself...

ok, there are good porns you say? lets avoid all the BAD porn and use the GOOD porn, can you promise me one day you won't go for the BAD porn?? can you make your kids promise that??

Youre talking about prgnancy at early age (14:eek:) is a bad thing, i'm saying sex at the age of 14 is dangerous.. I don't know how in your country (where ar you from??) but in my country, only if the girl or boy is 18 then only they can marry or have sex.. but most kids nowadays already breaking this tradition.. porns playd some role there... changing the tradition.. tradition we teach to have sex only when youre mature..:mad:

@HannesTG

well, obviously, we can't stop it, i don't know if all the CG members joins force to bring down all the porn webs, can we do it? no way..

but its not impossible? still remember child porn? well I was still a kid then when the porn using childs are wide spread.. but I heard a lot of strories of how the US and many other Gov join force to bring down the child porn.. its still impossible?..


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porn has become like Ciggarates, its bad, but its a inevitable..:p its even commercialized, people make money from it, big money.. soooo many people using it, it looks like nothing wrong, why not, its normal, normal cause everyone doing it....:rolleyes:

sorry.. i do not have the time to answar all now... stay tuned ;)

so to this:

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Originally Posted by Max Payne

day you won't go for the BAD porn?? can you make your kids promise that??

Youre talking about prgnancy at early age (14:eek:) is a bad thing, i'm saying sex at the age of 14 is dangerous.. I don't know how in your country (where ar you from??) but in my country, only if the girl or boy is 18 then only they can marry or have sex.. but most kids nowadays already breaking this tradition.. porns playd some role there... changing the tradition.. tradition we teach to have sex only when youre mature..:mad:

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so is this a law .. or a tradtition ?
... if it is a tradition I think then its not the only one which get lost in last hundred of years... time is changing everything.. and this a normal process and has nothing to do with porn...

if it is a law then you have hundreds of thousands of criminal teenagers in country and i think thats not way to handle that.
In my country (in germany) it is not illegal to have sex at the age of 15... ( why it schould be so if they are cleared up) ?
... its illegal to have sex with a teenager when you are an adult

here it is legal to watch erotic movies at the age of 16 (erotic means: no genitals, or closups and sexual acts in detail)
and marry at the same age (if the parants agree)
And you should remember that most of our teenager today have their
full sexual ripe (is "ripe" the right word her ?) at this age.

No, I don't like porn.

I watched a TV special about a girls that did porno movies and others that were strippers. (Hey, I'm curious...) These women wanted to do it. They liked the money. A lot of them liked the attention. It's not like people are being forced into making these movies. And it's not like people are being forced to buy the products either. They might feel like they are, but anybody has the ability to walk away or ask someone to help them walk away. I do not think the government should ban porn. That's the whole big brother syndrome. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you know there are going to be gratuitous scenes in a movie, don't show it to your kiddos.

TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR LIFE

My brother is a smoker. I think it's gross. He knows it's bad for him but he does it anyway. He's addicted, but he's also got an amazing support group with his family and friends if he wanted to stop, but he doesn't. I can't ask the government to make him just because it's bad for him. They have bigger things to worry about that people that can't make good choices.

IMHO: I do think that when your kids are asking you about sex you need to answer them. If you don't they'll keep asking till someone does. How you answer depends on their age. I mean, you're not going to want to explain the miracle of life in detail to a 5 year old... but again, that's all up to the parent/guardian.

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Originally Posted by gurleygirl

I do think that when your kids are asking you about sex you need to answer them. If you don't they'll keep asking till someone does. How you answer depends on their age. I mean, you're not going to want to explain the miracle of life in detail to a 5 year old... but again, that's all up to the parent/guardian.

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Encyleopedia and Internet is more than enough... y bother the parents? ;)

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Originally Posted by HanneSThEGreaT

Face it, no one can stop the filth. But I just want a better rating system on the movies - or something so that I know what to expect in the movie and what not.

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I know you can't always tell by the rating what kind of content a movie has or even necessarily why it received its rating. However there are websites that break down the content of movies (some more restrictively than others) to give people an idea of what to expect in a movie. Most I have read do a good job of not spoiling the plot of a movie or if they do they try warn the reader beforehand. One that I have come to depend upon is this site which breaks down both positive and negative aspects of a movie from a rather conservative christian ethical standpoint.

I don't think pornography is in anyway healthy for anyone neither those creating it nor those watching/looking at it. I have met/know of people who have become addicted to it and/or it has seriously affected them in a negative manner. I'm not certain on this, but I think I recall there was a medical study done that seemed to indicate that pornography was possibly the root of many sexual dysfunctions that are now "cured" by blue pills, etc.

A serious discussion in the CG chit-chat forums??? :eek: What's the world coming to... :p

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Originally Posted by gurleygirl

And it's not like people are being forced to buy the products either. They might feel like they are, but anybody has the ability to walk away or ask someone to help them walk away.

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Half the problem is this: porn often can be addictive and has the potential to ruin marriages, destroy families and cause serious mental issues. Walking away isn't easy and often by that time the damage is already done.

The deterioration in western society is due to "teach kids how to have sex when they're 10 so they'll know what to do when they turn 12" attitude.

IMHO any sex outside of marriage is wrong.

One of the reasons I became a Christian was because when I read the Bible New Testament, I saw that it was the most amazing self-help and personal growth book out there you can find. Everything in it had excellent value and if everyone followed it we wouldn't have half the problems we have today. Although it is impossible for everyone to follow it because they simply won't, I choose to follow it now and I will teach my kids the same.

How this relates to moral issues, the Bible teaches a man & a woman to be "friends" first. To have the ability to speak to each other, to relate to each other and to love each other without bringing sex into the equation. Sex is only there for 20 or so years in a marriage, what do you have left after that? The friendship.

Relationships based purely on 'chemistry' or sexual compatibility leave not much else to fall back on. Why are there so many divorces when a man turns 50 and decides to 'upgrade' his wife for a younger one? Why don't people resolve problems by adressing the issues rather than resorting to 'make-up sex' as tv instructs us to do?

And why is it ok for men to 'look at' other women they are not married to? Any advertisment is proof this is the norm. Looking at other women is defined by Jesus as commiting adultery in your heart. I didn't understand this until I started seeing the effects under careful observation of my own habits. Looking at other women with desire makes me compare my wife to the other woman, makes me jelous, envious, it makes me think 'I'm not as good because I'm not as rich/muscly/don't have the sculpted body/don't dress as well etc etc etc... It's not healthy. I suspect some of the readers of this would have felt the same at some stage in their lives.

Porn, when brought into the equation makes the above effects tenfold. It makes us think that if we aren't having 'wild sex' every night with as many different women as possible (the more attractive the better) then we are losers. It causes depression through this as the above statement is unrealistic. And it causes addictive behavious (i.e. we look at porn to feel better).

As for sex at the age of 14, even if they become 'ripe' at that age, who's to say these kids are at a mental age of maturity to make wise decisions? They are literally led into these acts thanks to porn, tv, movies, magazines, advertising, liberal teachers and alcohol. I would think a better option would be to have sex education at home, when the time is right, with less detail. Most sex education within the Christian community (as far as I can tell) is made through couples individual research when the time is near (i.e. when they are engaged) to be better prepared for their wedding night.

My point is this: I think sex is for marriage only, we shouldn't even look at other women with wrongful desire (lust) in our hearts and this is exactly what I'll be teaching my kids. Each to their own I guess. :)

I don't have any problem with pornography, and don't understand why so many people think it to be so damaging. Certainly if you look at pornography and expect that your encounters with the opposite sex will be the same way, then you're in for a rough time when you venture out of your basement and start trying to form relationships with real, actual people. But however cynical I may be in some respects, I trust that most people are intelligent enough to make the distinction between fantasy and reality. If you can't, then pornography is the least of your problems. Do the people saying that pornography is bad for people, and especially the people saying that the government should ban it, hold the same view on, say, violence in movies? If not, why not? I can't comment on the rest of the world as I've lived in the US all my life, but I find it baffling that so much of our country seems to think that sex is bad, that seeing a naked human body will somehow damage us, particularly when, as Deniz pointed out, we're constantly bombarded with sexual content in advertising and popular media.

I really don't care whether people think pornography is wrong or not. That's up to each person to decide; people beginning with different basic assumptions will come to different conclusions, even if each person's reasoning is sound. But I do care if said people attempt to transfer their beliefs into legislation. When it comes down to that, I think gurleygirl summed it up perfectly:

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Originally Posted by gurleygirl

TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR LIFE

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Thanks for your Input GG. Its great to have an opinion from the western womans perspective (i don't have any western woman friend:p)..

ok, you r talking about self determination to avoid it, but IMHO, not many people have that.. and most people are not ready (or is it don't want;)) to be unpluged...:D

@Deniz:

I totally agree with Deniz, :thumb: Although I look at it from another religion's (Islam) perspective, but we share the same opinion..

Talking about violence, few years back, there was a local movie in some cinema here (full of voilence), when the auidence came out, two guys with out any particular reason fought (fully charged by the movie) and one killed other at the spot. Both were above 30. Thanx to the violence in the movie.

About pornograph, few months back, there was a big social scandal here. Sincce there is no proper check here, the cyber cafes are main source of pornography. A guy (who owned the cyber cafe) put a cam hidden and started recording videos of the people, including kids, girls, married copules, unmarried copules (who ever came in, he shot them). For more then a year, he blackmailed the peoples , specially the girls (I don't think that I need to mention that what he demanded from whom) and then somehow those videos got out. In few days, they were spread all over the country. Many female victims commited suicide.

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Originally Posted by gurleygirl

TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR LIFE

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Its not about YOUR LIFE only. Your brother smoke, so do I. Like your brother, I do know that its bad, but it only hurts me, not other peoples that are related to me (unless I started smoking in front of them and they addopt this habbit from me).

Talking about Drugs: I see that others have a point about pornography shouldn't be banned. Hmmm, I guess this also applies to drugs, I guess they should be offered publically, hay how about the short range weapons, who cares what they results they'll bring. Everyone is reponsible for there life, right?

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Originally Posted by Smasher/Devourer

...so much of our country seems to think that sex is bad, that seeing a naked human body will somehow damage us

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No one is saying that sex is bad, I actually think sex is great. Adultery, on the other hand, is bad and causes more problems than you might think.

If you think porn is ok, ask your wife what she thinks of you looking at other women naked & doing stuff (or just posing). Ask her how it makes her feel. If you won't ask because you think it should be kept secret, then how could it be a good thing if its done mainly in secret?

i think that violence an horror in movies .. is MUCH more dangerous than porn...

i also think that the opinion of Deniz (only sex when marriaged) is some kind of medievally - and think back that in this time... the church a the ruler of everything - porn was also present
example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornocracy
.. if look at the painted art from this time.. or that statues and so on...
also in other countries ..think about the old Teachings of Kamasutra and tantra

Porn has got a veeerry long history an its not a new thing that was invented in the last few years (even if you think so !) !
its not a urban myth that prostitution is the oldest buisness of the world...

I am a christian also.. not a catholic one (because the things that are going on in this "organisation" are really scaring to me, but thats another topic)
and to forbid porn is not the duty of the state (thats censorship !) .. its on the duty of the parents to prevent their kids from that... maybe with a little help by the government

and thanks to gurlygirl.. good post !

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Originally Posted by Deniz

No one is saying that sex is bad, I actually think sex is great. Adultery, on the other hand, is bad and causes more problems than you might think.

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That comment was not directed at anyone in this thread. And I'm fully aware of how much trouble adultery can cause. But your definition of adultery is not universally accepted. If it works for you, fine, use it. But not everyone believes that the act of thinking about or looking at someone else is a bad thing. Different people have different ideas about what a relationship should or should not allow.

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Originally Posted by Deniz

If you think porn is ok, ask your wife what she thinks of you looking at other women naked & doing stuff (or just posing). Ask her how it makes her feel. If you won't ask because you think it should be kept secret, then how could it be a good thing if its done mainly in secret?

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Well if your wife doesn't want you looking at pornography and you're doing it in secret anyway, that is, of course, dishonest. That said, there are plenty of women out there (I know quite a few) who don't have a problem with it, or are into it themselves, and in that case I see no problem whatsoever. As long as both people are open and honest with one another, where is the harm?

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Originally Posted by thooomy

i think that violence an horror in movies .. is MUCH more dangerous than porn...

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Thats not the topic of this thread (that voilence is more dangerous of porn or not, but you can see the aftermath effects of both in my prevoius post anyway).

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Originally Posted by thooomy

i also think that the opinion of Deniz (only sex when marriaged) is some kind of medievally - and think back that in this time... the church a the ruler of everything - porn was also present
example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornocracy
.. if look at the painted art from this time.. or that statues and so on...
also in other countries ..think about the old Teachings of Kamasutra and tantra

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Would you please let me know or provide any reference from the "Teaching of Kamasutra" that porn should be publically available, irrespective of the age, sex, location of the auidence?

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Originally Posted by thooomy

Porn has got a veeerry long history an its not a new thing that was invented in the last few years (even if you think so !) !

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I would definately like to see some porn site developed in 16th centry and providing services till then.

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Originally Posted by thooomy

its not a urban myth that prostitution is the oldest buisness of the world...

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Ok, I buy that, but don't forget the Porn and Prostituation are some what similar, but not same.

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Originally Posted by thooomy

I am a christian also.. not a catholic one (because the things that are going on in this "organisation" are really scaring to me, but thats another topic)
and to forbid porn is not the duty of the state (thats censorship !) .. its on the duty of the parents to prevent their kids from that... maybe with a little help by the government

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I guess then you would also support for prostituation, drugs, weapons, homosexuality etc at very footstep as its your duty to take care of your 5 year old kid to stay away from them on his way back and forth to his school. Right?

But wait, wait, wait...we said that-TAKE RESPONSIBILTY OF YOUR LIFE-then how come you are responsible for your 5 year old kid. He is responsible for his life, right?

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Originally Posted by Ejaz

But wait, wait, wait...we said that-TAKE RESPONSIBILTY OF YOUR LIFE-then how come you are responsible for your 5 year old kid. He is responsible for his life, right?

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Now you're just being absurd. We're all adults here (or nearly so -- I know there are some teenagers around), and it's obvious that that comment was directed towards adults. Children cannot be responsible for their own lives; they haven't learned enough to be able to shoulder that responsibility.

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Originally Posted by Smasher/Devourer

Now you're just being absurd. We're all adults here (or nearly so -- I know there are some teenagers around), and it's obvious that that comment was directed towards adults. Children cannot be responsible for their own lives; they haven't learned enough to be able to shoulder that responsibility.

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Sorry for my rash response earlier. That was exactly my point anyway. If you look at the previous responses, we see that there are 2 schools of thoughts

1) Who think that Porn is fine.
2) Who don't agree with it.

If we go through all the posts of the first school of thought, we see that they are more focus to the individuals. Like they consider it from the single person prespective. They have there views that if someone goes through a porn site and have some fun, its fine.

The second school of thought is more focused from a social prespective. There view is that it doesn't end there. The aftermath effects propogate and it may hurt the other peoples.

Also the fact that different part of the world has different traditions and customs. Some of them may accomodate this, some may not. So a generic solution for this is virtually non-existent.

From an individual point of view, you MAY be right, but we do not live in a world, where everyone is isolated. There are many other people who are connected with us and its not only OUR life that counts, and you can never guarentee that every person of the society is well matured enough that he'll not take the -ve side of the porn. Consider this case, suppose a guy go through a porn site, which reflect rape. Now charged with this, the guy rapes some girl, the girl eventually commit suicide (or even if she doesn't), who is responsible for all these consiquences? The guy? The guys parents? The government? Do h_e_l_l with the responsible entity, but who has to face the results? The girl. Damage has been done, now you can revert it back or can you?

Now, think from the goverment point of view. If you are responsible for the betterment of your society, will you allow such cases to happen? What will you do? Well, one thing surely you'll do is to promote education (I don't mean sex education) to ensure that people of your society are mentally stable and don't go for any such brutal actoins, but can you be sure? I don't think so. Now what to do? You have to deal with it at the first line of defence, not at the last step, don't you? Offcourse the people who are matured enough can take care of themself, they ARE responsbile for THERE life, but what about the others? And others include people from all age ranges, including kids (yours and others), teenagers, boys, girls, everyone.

I hope you see my point.

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Originally Posted by Ejaz

Thats not the topic of this thread (that voilence is more dangerous of porn or not, but you can see the aftermath effects of both in my prevoius post anyway).

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that was just my point of view...

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Originally Posted by Ejaz

Would you please let me know or provide any reference from the "Teaching of Kamasutra" that porn should be publically available, irrespective of the age, sex, location of the auidence?

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i NEVER said that it want that porn "should be publically available, irrespective of the age, sex, location of the auidence" ! ... (of course: its nothing for kids ! ... did i say that ????? )
I just want you make clear that porn is NOT a new thing in our days and so it can not be a reason for the "worldproblems"

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Originally Posted by Ejaz

I would definately like to see some porn site developed in 16th centry and providing services till then.

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HAHA... o what funny.. of course there are no site (hey there was life BEFORE the web .. you know ?) ... but there were paintings, sextoys an so on..even in our early days.. there was a exhibition in our local museum with historic view of Sex an Erotic in the past 2000 years.. could be interesting for you...

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Originally Posted by Ejaz

Ok, I buy that, but don't forget the Porn and Prostituation are some what similar, but not same.

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no its not (not in the past) !.... (hey there where times when you could not take a movie from two poeple having sex ...)

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Originally Posted by Ejaz

I guess then you would also support for prostituation, drugs, weapons, homosexuality etc at very footstep as its your duty to take care of your 5 year old kid to stay away from them on his way back and forth to his school. Right?

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yes and no...
first of all : whats your problem with homosexuality ?? (in a row with drugs and weapons ?? )
AND.. there is a clear border where your government has to protect your kids and where the parents have to do that.. i dont want to be patronized by my government, with the reason that sombaody in my country can:t stand porn

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Originally Posted by Ejaz

But wait, wait, wait...we said that-TAKE RESPONSIBILTY OF YOUR LIFE-then how come you are responsible for your 5 year old kid. He is responsible for his life, right?

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i really dont wanna comment this stupid sentence.. there is no argument in it

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Originally Posted by thooomy

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Post no. 17 & 23 contains answers of all your questions.

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Originally Posted by Ejaz

Post no. 17 & 23 contains answers of all your questions.

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I posted exactly _one_ non-rethoric question.... which is not answered in your previous posts ... but.. okay.. no problem for me

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Originally Posted by thooomy

HAHA... o what funny.. of course there are no site (hey there was life BEFORE the web .. you know ?) ... but there were paintings, sextoys an so on..even in our early days.. there was a exhibition in our local museum with historic view of Sex an Erotic in the past 2000 years.. could be interesting for you...

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Can you do the math, how many people is exposed to porn back then compared to now..?? even porn existed long time ago, not many actually xposed to it, expecially children or teenagers, maybe just some "KINKY" adults.. but, now.. I need not to say more..:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by thooomy

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I posted exactly _one_ non-rethoric question.... which is not answered in your previous posts ... but.. okay.. no problem for me

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Would you please post this _one_ non-rethoric question again, in simple terms? Sorry if I missed that.

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Originally Posted by Ejaz

Would you please post this _one_ non-rethoric question again, in simple terms? Sorry if I missed that.

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okay.. no problem

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Originally Posted by thooomy

whats your problem with homosexuality ?? (in a row with drugs and weapons ?? )

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Originally Posted by thooomy

okay.. no problem

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Well homosexuality just came in the row with other consiquences that can be brough the society but talking about the other....how would you feel, if your best buddy, who happened to smatter then you, screwed his career in the weeds. When you tried your best to get him fixed and move on, but he turned out to be a loser, coz all he wanted was to have some drug and spend (the best moments of his life according to him) in the arms of some prostitue and eventually got shot in some street fight. The same guy, who helped you when you needed an assistance in your home work, who cheered you up when you were down and then all of sudden, he is gone, vanished. Who would you blame? Him, coz couldn't stand against the luring attractions offered by some cheap prostitute or the guy who provided him the drugs, or the guy who shot him dead in street fight? No matter who you blame, where do you think that roots lie? He had choosen his death, the day he took the first step to this path and he wasn't a grown up mature person then.

Do you get the answer of your _one_ non-rethoric question?

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....how would you feel, if your best buddy, who happened to smatter then you, screwed his career in the weeds. When you tried your best to get him fixed and move on, but he turned out to be a loser, coz all he wanted was to have some drug and spend (the best moments of his life according to him) in the arms of some prostitue and eventually got shot in some street fight. The same guy, who helped you when you needed an assistance in your home work, who cheered you up when you were down and then all of sudden, he is gone, vanished. Who would you blame? Him, coz couldn't stand against the luring attractions offered by some cheap prostitute or the guy who provided him the drugs, or the guy who shot him dead in street fight? No matter who you blame, where do you think that roots lie? He had choosen his death, the day he took the first step to this path and he wasn't a grown up mature person then.

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errm.. sad story.. but sorry... i did not get what that have to do with homosexuality..

The problem (I see in this thread) is that "Pornography" has attained this dominantly negative aura around it. As a result it is getting compared with drug-abuse, violence, and crime.

IMHO, sex is natural, sex is beautiful, and sex is fun. "Pornography" is a harmless activity so long as the participants (the viewer and the performer) are doing so of their own voluntary choice.

But like any pleasurable activity - it comes with certain limits that pertain to safety, and to the minimum maturity levels required from the particitpants - for example: age. Once these requirements are met then I think it (Pornography) is healthy and non-damaging.

To compare it with crime, violence and drugs is to take an absolute extreme line - and all extremes in every sphere of life are dangerous.
They should not form the basis for decision-making.

My point is, if something is dangerous (in any form), then there is no exception. You can't leave it like that (doesn't matter either it is drug or pornography). Look at all the posts that are in favor of pornography, they all says "IF .... ", and for every if, there is an else or else if. Thats where the two school of thoughts are getting seperated. What if this if doesn't get true and when it comes to general public, then it can't be true for everyone. I'm not talking about "I", but "US". For "I", it may be ture, but for "US", its not.

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But like any pleasurable activity - it comes with certain limits that pertain to safety, and to the minimum maturity levels required from the particitpants - for example: age. Once these requirements are met then I think it (Pornography) is healthy and non-damaging.

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And I don't count only Age as the deciding parameter for this. Trust me, few years back, I use to help a friend in running his cyber cafe, and there use to come alot of men who were twice then my age (even more) and surf porn sites, you won't beleive that I had to tell them around mid-night "Come on pop, I have to close all this, you better go your home now, your family might be expecting you" and they usually ask for more time :rolleyes: I guess some people don't get matured with age as fast as they should be :sick:

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I use to help a friend in running his cyber cafe, and there use to come alot of men who were twice then my age (even more) and surf porn sites, you won't beleive that I had to tell them around mid-night "Come on pop, I have to close all this, you better go your home now, your family might be expecting you" and they usually ask for more time :rolleyes: I guess some people don't get matured with age as fast as they should be

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By "age" I meant a lower limit and not upper limit. I dont mind 60 year old men / women watching porn. It is not dangerous. But I do mind 10 year olds watching it, for they risk distorting their perspective of sex and love.

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My point is, if something is dangerous (in any form), then there is no exception.

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I would say that anything when stretched to an extreme will get dangerous in *some* form.
Porn is no exception to this rule.

For example: If you have a society where minimum working hours are say a 100 hours / week - it is dangerous to the health of the society as a whole. But, this is no reason to generalize that doing *work* is any wrong - for that was an extreme, and exceptional situation. One must discount exceptions, and have safe-guards against them.

Similarly, I think that in most situations pornography is harmless. The law must safeguard exceptional, extreme situations where rights may be abused.

Atleast there is some point where we are following each other, that it IS dangerous :) (with the so called exceptions)

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Atleast there is some point where we are following each other, that it IS dangerous :) (with the so called exceptions)

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Yes, Pornography is just as dangerous as Eating, Drinking, Walking, Running and Working (when one counts the extremities and exceptions).

;) :)

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Yes, Pornography is just as dangerous as Eating, Drinking, Walking, Running and Working (when one counts the extremities and exceptions).

;) :)

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Yah, I would have to say, Ejaz, that you are taking several things to an extreme.

Like you said about guns and drugs. Right now, we're having an 'epidemic' of kids taking cough medicine and using the canned "Cleaning Duster" to get high. Are you saying that these should be taken off the market because of the few abusing it? Of course! If there wasn't any cough medicine kids couldn't get addicted to it and overdose and die. Same with the canned air.
I like guns, I like shooting. I've taken classes about safety. My Dad is a member of the National Rifle Association. So the government should take away our guns because some jerk went and shot his old lady? She suffered, yes. I agree that some things in one's life cannot be controlled by one's self. But let us NOT punish the majority because the minority can't be controlled. That totally gets under my skin!!! I'm sure you're thinking right now that you'll be reading a news article about me being shot to death by some random guy and that would be cruel irony... that may happen... but I'll take that risk. I know there are many more people that can handle the responsibility.

Punish the crime not the gun/cough medicine/canned air/porn/yadda yadda yadda...

Again about my statement about controlling yourself and take your own life in your hands, being responsible. Again, I restate that I agree there are people that do hurt other innocent people. I will not deny that. But I will also restate that they are isolated crimes you can't punish porn (or whatever) for it.

Being educated is the key. Parents that are educated about trends and drugs of their kids can ask and watch their children. Kids that are educated can understand and avoid. I do realize that there are plenty of people that don't parent and there are dumb kids and dumb adults for that matter. When we get to utopia then maybe we won't have this problem. As for now... let's leave it with: it takes all kinds to make this world go 'round.

I would also like to applaud Deniz. I am very strong in my religion as well. When I was in Junior High I took a sex education class from my church. I was also taught (and abide by) the lessons of my church. I'm an educated person in many aspects. I come from a strong family and have great friends. I'm responsible for everything I do. There's a lot of people like me out there. Just because we don't make the news doesn't mean we're not the majority.

BTW: The first two things printed on the Gutenberg press were porn and the Bible. Something for everyone... ;)

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My point is, if something is dangerous (in any form), then there is no exception. You can't leave it like that (doesn't matter either it is drug or pornography). Look at all the posts that are in favor of pornography, they all says "IF .... ", and for every if, there is an else or else if.

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That's a very strange argument to make, particularly when you support it with things like this:

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From an individual point of view, you MAY be right, but we do not live in a world, where everyone is isolated. There are many other people who are connected with us and its not only OUR life that counts, and you can never guarentee that every person of the society is well matured enough that he'll not take the -ve side of the porn. Consider this case, suppose a guy go through a porn site, which reflect rape. Now charged with this, the guy rapes some girl, the girl eventually commit suicide (or even if she doesn't), who is responsible for all these consiquences? The guy? The guys parents? The government? Do h_e_l_l with the responsible entity, but who has to face the results? The girl. Damage has been done, now you can revert it back or can you?

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That's a pretty big "if," is it not? You're saying that the possibility -- the very small possibility -- that pornography might lead someone to commit rape is an argument against pornography as a whole. By that reasoning, as Siddhartha pointed out, you could argue for the removal of most anything from society. Every year in the US, tens of thousands of people are killed in car accidents. So I think we should ban cars. After all, "if something is dangerous (in any form), then there is no exception."

The fact is, if someone sees a pornographic movie and it leads them to commit rape, then pornography is not the problem. The problem is that you're dealing with someone who can't distinguish between fantasy and reality. Such a person might be influenced to do any number of terrible things after being exposed to all kinds of images in media, pornography being only one example. Should we shield everyone from every depiction of anything objectionable simply because a small number of people could take those things the wrong way? I think that's ludicrous.

what is sex?
just have some money you will get that & all its related things..there is no places for this..its banned here by governments..no learning on such things in school,university,etc
just wait a min on the street, realy something easy as I'm telling
marriage is something impossible here! evryone finds it useless & escape from it...
this is all the thing I know from sex & its related things :ehh:

Looks like I'm talking in circles :rolleyes: This small posibility won't be small when it come to everyone, not one person only. About cars, yes we use them, people got killed in accidents, so have rules, good rules because of some good reasons, to ensure the maximum safety possible for the other peoples. When people get hurt, we don't let them on there own to die. We try whatever it takes to get them fixed.

@ GG: You like to take your chances, go ahead. I have no problems with that (so far), but if I'm responsible for my people, then I'll do whatever I can, to make sure that (either small or large no. of ) my people remain safe and stable, because for me, every single one of them matters.

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@ GG: You like to take your chances, go ahead. I have no problems with that (so far), but if I'm responsible for my people, then I'll do whatever I can, to make sure that (either small or large no. of ) my people remain safe and stable, because for me, every single one of them matters.

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If you see the reality someday.. you will see that you can NOT protect every single one...
even if you put them all in a room with soft walls and no doors

you have to do what ist the best way between freedom of your people and their maximum safety (i can not have both !!!)

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If you see the reality someday.. you will see that you can NOT protect every single one...
even if you put them all in a room with soft walls and no doors

you have to do what ist the best way between freedom of your people and their maximum safety (i can not have both !!!)

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I know, and even alot of people around me won't accept that. It IS a loosing bettle, I can only delay it and may be someday, someone else will make any decision, which will do exactly what I don't want to happen, BUT atleast I would be satisfied that it wasn't ME who put someone in trouble or I won't be living enough to see that day ;)

bah... I think this is all getting a little dramatic.

Fact: Porn is here to stay whether or not we ban it.

Bad people who are willing to hurt others do not follow the law. They will find a way to get what they want no matter what laws they break or who they hurt in the process. That's the big gun debate here. If you tell me guns are illegal, I will turn in my guns because I'm a law abiding person but the bad guys won't. So what have we solved here? It's now harder for bad people to get a hold of guns, but they still will if they want to. Three cheers to human resolve. And now you have defenseless, innocent people.

I think it's sweet that you think all people are good and want to live in harmony and follow rules set forth to protect them. It's really a wonderful idea. But there are bad people. There will always be bad people. Sorry...

From GG to Max Payne:

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I think it's sweet that you think all people are good and want to live in harmony and follow rules set forth to protect them.

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Stop acting cute, k? I've never seen a CodeGuru girl like you, for once. Oh yes, there was. Nina. :rolleyes:

Anyway, Max......why didn't you consult love expert Xeon? I told before, Max.....I can give you tons of data about porn and it's consequences to society. So, what do u want? In .mpg format? .avi? .jpg? Or do you prefer .wmv? It's very popular now, *.wmv.

Regarding porn......it's good. It helps to relieve stress.
JUST DON'T OVERDO IT.
(or else you become a sex addict)

Porn itself is not evil. It's only when someone gets too obessed that they tarnish the name and reputation of porn, k?
Also, do not confuse porn with sex slavery. I do not approve of any kind of slavery, not to mention sex. Porn is porn, it's a hobby......an art.

There's another thing about porn-watchers and paedophiles. First, paedophiles are sick animals. They get excited when they see kids.
U guys wanna hear a story?Fine.

A few days ago in my local newspaper, they ran a little article about how an online stranger send a sick message to the father of a 5 year old girl, after the paedophile saw a picture pose of the innocent baby online(some online photo family albums).
In the picture, the 5 year old little girl was standing on top of a pole(a large steel rod) lying horizontally.
Guess what the paedophile wrote in the message to the girl's father? It was something like :

"Love that pic. Yummy. I could almost see what's underneath her skirt. Dam*, I wish I was that pole."

Sick, isn't it? Indeed. Very very sick in the mind.
Like I said, it's because of such animals that give porn a bad name.
I could be watching porn every morning, but yet.......I'm still a healthy guy doing healthy things. I don't go out and be a sexual psycho, do I?

The porn industry is getting more and more innovative, and that's marvellous. In the past, it was mostly available only in JPEG files. Then came movies. Now, you get free trailers even. Real cool. Talk about porn portals. The best. This is a hobby adults gotta enjoy. Nothing to be shy or ashamed of.

A Hollywood celebrity has once said "Never trust a man who says he's not interested in porn". I know you folks know the meaning.

I'm for porn!

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Nice day,
Hugh "Xeon" Hefner.

I don't tend to talk on my country everytime but I don't know abut other places
if someone ask me for example

• what is you culture? I don't know what I am,well I should be an iranian
• do you like porn? I can't answer him because of its limitations
• are you muslim? mainly no
• do you believe in god?I don't know what is god mainly

and its because of in my coutry everything is mixed up
here people have a western culture while governments impose their islamic culture
take a look at this picture you may underestand what I'm saying
they have an islamic cover while they have also a dog ;)

but when you get to sex relations ,everything becomes important exteremly and everyone tries to hide something
governments just ban it and people deny it
here for example single men have many relations but always should hide them
here people deny not just because of a fear from governments but also generally the society considers these relations shameful while everyone has it!
something strange!

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Anyway, Max......why didn't you consult love expert Xeon? I told before, Max.....I can give you tons of data about porn and it's consequences to society. So, what do u want? In .mpg format? .avi? .jpg? Or do you prefer .wmv? It's very popular now, *.wmv.

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well Xeon, thanks for the offer, but I'm not actually looking for love consultation...:lol: jus what pople arounf the globe thinks of porn, and your generous offer to supply forn to me, nahhh I'm not into phsyco sex movies...:sick::p by the way, if you supply those to Malaysia, be careful at the border.. our KASTAM is really good expecially in Singapore-Malaysia border..:p

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Regarding porn......it's good. It helps to relieve stress.

Porn itself is not evil. It's only when someone gets too obessed that they tarnish the name and reputation of porn, k?
Also, do not confuse porn with sex slavery. I do not approve of any kind of slavery, not to mention sex. Porn is porn, it's a hobby......an art.

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and who did confuse porn with slavery?? I would say its discrimination against woman.. an art?? now youre confusing me..

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The porn industry is getting more and more innovative, and that's marvellous. In the past, it was mostly available only in JPEG files. Then came movies. Now, you get free trailers even. Real cool. Talk about porn portals. The best. This is a hobby adults gotta enjoy. Nothing to be shy or ashamed of.

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I have seen a forwaded email of a scene from a porn which show a woman is eating the man's s_h_i_t, as the man stand and, err how would I say, pee on her... hmmm now thats sick? is it not?

even the scn is cut for few second only, I could not watch to the end..

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she was wrong, "Never trust a man who says he's not tempted by porn".. :D

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I'm for porn!

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and I'm not...:thumb:

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there are better solutions for that puprpose

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JUST DON'T OVERDO IT.

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I totally dislike porn because it's just because of money & diminish some things :cool: and finally it's ended to such things

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I have seen a forwaded email of a scene from a porn which show a woman is eating the man's s_h_i_t, as the man stand and

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ofcource I'm against banning such things because it's impossible.

Well, I think it is difficult (if not impossible) to filter out all porn sites. The most important thing (regardless of culture, country, belief to god) is education as others have stated.
Unfortunately many children are being educated by the TV, which is not good at all.
In the internet you'll mostly find what you're looking for. I mean if you're looking for porn and could not find it in the internet you'll look for it in your local video store, in magazines, in night clubs e.t.c. With the TV again you have the choice on which programs to watch, but you can't really avoid sex scenes (and violence).

no,I don't look for porn..
it is *much* better for children to learn such things from TV or magazines etc instead of ...
yes education is the most important thing...
//BTW there is no magazine,night club,etc here