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Q: Is there life after death?
If Yes : What would it be like? What would we be like? Where would we be? How would we be?
If No: What would it be like to not exist? Will it be like experiencing an endless darkness? Will it be like a never ending dream?
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Q: Does god exist? If so, can he make rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?
A: I don't believe in life after death. In my opinion, if we are death, everything is finished, you will not experience anything anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by leojose
I think if there is, then it would be outside the scope of this universe. Therefore it would not be part of space/time and would not have a concept of a beggining, end, location, position, or shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by leojose
Q. If Adam And Eve were the first humans on the earth...and they had children...who did their children have children with.
Vanaj
A: With each other.
No god does not exist. I've read through a lot of religous topics, but I simply cannot agree that he does. It seems when debating with religous poeple there is always a point were logic stops and nobody wants to listen and they continually reply "faith".Quote:
cilu Q: Does god exist? If so, can he make rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?
One of the most interesting things I've read was philosophical debate whether god exists or not.
I found it here http://www.atheists.org/
But I cannot find it anymore.
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I would think atheists would have a strong understanding of faith. Atheists like any other religious group, believe in something that cannot be proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin_33
Except that atheists are not a religious group. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris256
I suppose it depends on your interpretation of the definition of "religious". These definitions are usually pretty loosely defined. Here's a try:
Religious:
Webster says it can be an "ultimate reality" instead of a deity. The "faithful devotion" part is pretty subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriam Webster Online
A#2:
I think that there is a life after death.
What would it be like? I have no idea.
Where would we be? Not in this universe I guess...
How would we be? I don't know.
Yes, faith is necessary, and I am conscient of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin_33
IMHO, God existence can't be proved philosophycally or scientifically. So, Human has the freedom to believe or not in God.
I know that many philosophs tried to prove the existence or non-existence of God.
IMHO, it is vain.
However God existence could be potentially proven, if, a day, God came on Earth, and said to everybody : "Hey, I am God, and I exist", and moved mountains and shew is power...
I doubt that such thing occur before the Last Judgment.
But, if God doesn't exist, his non-existence will never ever be proven, because he can't come and say "Hey, I am God, and I don't exist".
So, believing in God non-existence requires faith.
Agnostism doesn't require faith. An agnostic doesn't know if God exists or not...
IMHO having Faith in something is good. And, Human could not undertake anything without at least Faith in himself. ;)
Faith move mountains... It is true. With faith in himself or in the society and other Humans, and bulldozers, a mountain can be moved... :D
And, the creation of bulldozers required the faith of a lot of people...
Without any Faith, we would probably be in a melancolic state... and die.
Note : An agnostic have no Faith in the question of God's existence, but can (and has, except if he is melancolic) faith in other things.
The human mind has many defensive mechanisms that make him keep faith in himself (and other things)... these defenses can be broken, and psychiatric disease occur..
The following part is very personnal and contains probably many wrong points. It is my mystical experience ;)
About God, I think that many people are mystical.. they feel the presence of God.
But, their feeling is subjective and they create representations of God that differ, and sometimes interpret much their perception.
Particulary, they feel that they hear the voice of God saying how the world is, and what to do (morale).
This feeling is really very vague and subjective (one can feel one unique God, other may feel several Gods).
But, interpretations often go in details.
It creates religions.
I think that Human has the knowledge of good and evil.
So, I think that this module that says to the heart if something is good or bad should be respected before all.
So, if a religion says to do that, and that my heart says that I should not do it... I don't do it. I only think that this religious guideline has been created on false interpretations of mystical feeling.
For example, my heart says to me that I should respect every religion, and respect all mystical perceptions, as far as possible...
Religions, usually, says to love others and to help them.
But, another thing appears...
Some guys, that seek for power, use the religion, and the faith of the good people in that religion, in order to take control of them, and to conquer lands...
They claim that God guides their action, but in fact, these dictators consciently abuse the people and only seek for power.
IMHO, the religion itself is not faulty.
The religion theorically should prevent such thing, because the religion had created a good social order.
But, in fact, this religion can be used as a tool for doing war.
There is an analogy (biological) with the lymphatic system.
The lymphatic system contains ganglions (I am not sure of the English term) that contain immune defense.
This sytem stops infectious germs, most of the time.
It is very good, but if the infectious germ is strong enough, it can beat locally the immune system, and take control of the ganglion.
Then the lymphatic circulation is used by the infectious agent, in order to propagate... The immune system is now a tool for the infectious agent!
IMHO Religion is like that:
Basically, it prevents bad people from taking power, but once someone has taken power, he can use the religion in order to increase significantly his power.
I wait for replies. ;)
I know that what I said is very subjective, and is probably a belief.
A3:
I have a question:
Does wind exist?
No. Reasons?:
1. You can't see the wind
2. The leaves blown?? Well they were deciding to move about all at the same time.
3. You heard it? Well, I didn't hear anything!
4. You felt it? That was a coincidence! I've felt that before too, in my house.
(JUST JOKING :D)
That's kinda, why I think God's real. No matter what anyone else wants to say. :)
About that rock thing, that isn't logical. (ie: could God make 2=3? God isn't like that. ;))
A2:
Well, we definitely have something some people call a 'spirit', or 'soul'. Why do I believe this? Well if a person dies because their heart stopped working, and they gave them a new one, and started it, the person wouldn't come back to life. ;)
So, back to the answer: Yes I believe there will be life after death, because you can't make something from nothing, nor nothing from something.(proven)
Our spirit/soul will have to go somewhere! :)
A13:
Wind and air are related:
We got the advice of a ... specialist...
From Jean-Claude Van Damme
For more funny citations:Quote:
"I am fascinated by air. If you took air away, all the birds would fall to the floor... And the planes too... At the same time, you can't touch air, it exists and it doesn't... It feeds man without hunger... It's magic... Air is beautiful and at the same time you can't see it, it's soft and you can't touch it... Air is a bit like my brain..."
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13903
A6:
Their sisters, I guess. :confused:
But I think somewhere after that, (in Genesis) it said that God made it so people 'couldn't' marry their family members. ;) I'll have to find it...
A6:
Adam and Eve are the first humans.
But, contrary to a popular belief, it is not sure that all humans are their descendents (however it is very very probable, because of population crossing).
In fact, once God had fully experienced his Man and Woman classes, he instanciated them a lot.
God created a lot of other humans, from scratch, after Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve were early test versions...
:p :D :D :D :) :D :D ;)
What if there were only sons born...then things get really sick..Quote:
Originally Posted by thecomputerprogrammer
After viewing todays population I would say there were some "bugs" in that early code leading to unhandled exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKoko
Q: Is there a supernatural being?
A18:
Genesis 5:4
...Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
It also refers to Cain laying with his wife and it calls her 'her' :D
Q: Can somebody Kill god?
Please Explain any answer to this
Isn't that the base of the Scientologists and agnostics beliefs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin_33
Actually wind is air with movement....Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKoko
A: That is the belief of every religion I know. Except for buddism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanaj
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecomputerprogrammer
There are things that we cannot see and cannot touch but we can prove that they exist.
Everybody has to believe in something...and I believe I'll have another beer...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin_33
That is true.
But we shouldn't waste so much on things that cannot be proven.
But I can prove I had another beer....but how much that is written in religious books thousands of years old can be proven today ?? So if you read something in a book and you believe it then it becomes the truth and then does it have to be proven to you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin_33
A22:
:eek: No! Where did you get that idea! :eek:
Answer? Because he knows everyones' intentions. Would you let someone kill you! :eek:
No, just becuase I read something I believe doesn't make it true.
God cannot know everybodies intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecomputerprogrammer
In the bible there are many examples saying that he doesn't.
If this is true then how do you explain war, murder..etc...why doesn't "God/Superior Being" just stop it...I think he knows everyones' intentions because he only lives in their minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecomputerprogrammer
But if you believe it...then it is true...at least in your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin_33
Galileo
32:@Sabin_33: Could you post at least 1?
A33:
Well, God doesn't stop certain things because he knows what he is doing. ;) (ie: if '9/11' never happened in US, their security would be very low (most likely) now, that wouldn't be good.)
No...Gallo...ChardonnayQuote:
Originally Posted by Sabin_33
Would you let your children kill each other ??Quote:
Originally Posted by thecomputerprogrammer
A38:
If I had children, No.
So it doesn't make sense that a parent would do that even if he/she "knows what he/she is doing"
A40:
They were his 'children' (Adam/Eve,) but they decided otherwise. :o
?????????????Quote:
Originally Posted by thecomputerprogrammer
I guess what thecomputerprogrammer is saying is in reference to the Bible account of what Adam and Eve did in the very beginning. I'm pretty sure most of us know about that "fruit" from a tree that God told them not to eat from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanaj
You see, when the first couple disobeyed that one restriction... it meant that they wanted a life without any guidance from God. They wanted to live on their own. So God stepped back and let humans rule themselves.
In light of this, IMHO it is really unfair to blame God for all these sufferings we are experiencing. It is not good on our part to say that God "knows what he's doing". When you say that, its like saying he's responsible for all the misery humankind have and is still experiencing... when that's not even the case. But if he does exist, why does he permit these things?
That is what I was asking thecomputerprogrammer...I guess he left the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by cherish
How's things in NMI these days ???
NMI is fine. :) Nice weather right now: not so hot. But going back on topic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanaj
My previous post (#43) in part explains it:(underline added)Quote:
Originally Posted by cherish
Aside from that, there were other issues raised. Who really has the right to rule mankind? Humans or God? To find the answer to that, a certain amount of time is needed. That's what the Bible says is the reason why God permits these sufferings. But, when will God put a stop to all these, if he does exist?
I would think that all that mankind has gone through since the beginning of time someone (Superior being) would have steeped in by now and said...you people just don't get it and are making a mess of my creation so let me show you this just one more time.
True. Especially nowadays, things are getting worse and worse. The Bible did say that all of this will soon end: for it describes the things that are happening right now, and calls it "the last days". (2 Timothy 3:1-5)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanaj
I haven't left I was helping people in VB
Cherish, :eek: I didn't mean it is God's fault!
finding a verse...
Yes, I know... I mean I know what you meant, that's why I explained for Vanaj. But honestly, at first reading.. it seems that way. ;) Its like saying when someone dies: "Oh, God wants another angel in heaven" or other things like that. Its really sounds unfair, doesn't it? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by thecomputerprogrammer
Deuteronomy 8:19
"If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed."
How does destruction usually start? From within, murder, crimes, disharmony, etc