A Southampton University study says there is a link between high IQ and vegetarianism.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6180753.stm
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A Southampton University study says there is a link between high IQ and vegetarianism.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6180753.stm
I don't think Veg or NonVeg Gives some effect on your IQ. it's totally wrong helathy food is required to srvive a good life and for a good brain. and NonVeg and veg both contain good nutrition so According to this surve i don't like to vote .or want to vote for both.
Thx
Of course, correlation does not equal causation, and it's good that they cited that newspaper analogy, but this is some pretty solid evidence. I found this to be a stupid comment though:
>> But Dr Frankie Phillips, of the British Dietetic Association, said: "It is like the chicken and the egg. Do people become vegetarian because they have a very high IQ or is it just that they tend to be more aware of health issues?"
There is a statistically significant change in IQ, and what the hell does awareness have to do with the findings? Dumb.
>> I don't think Veg or NonVeg Gives some effect on your IQ. it's totally wrong helathy food is required to srvive a good life and for a good brain. and NonVeg and veg both contain good nutrition so According to this surve i don't like to vote .or want to vote for both.
Okay, this barely warrants being dissected but I'm going to do it anyways.
>> I don't think Veg or NonVeg Gives some effect on your IQ.
Do you enjoy ignoring statistically significant evidence
>> it's totally wrong helathy food is required to srvive a good life and for a good brain
>> and NonVeg and veg both contain good nutrition
Define healthy. I would really think that it is a fair assumption that the average 'vegetarian's diet would be more healthy than that of a non-vegetarian. 'Containing' does not equal 'consisting of'.
>> According to this surve i don't like to vote .or want to vote for both.
"I just read an article on abortion. It did not move me, and I want to vote for both."
In terms of IQ it seems that I am vegetarian.
In terms of eating habits, I am not. And I think that I will not be anytime soon.
Which option should I mark?
Cheers
I'm not a vegetarian, I couldn't live without steak and chicken and other meat. Plus since I work in a deli I would be too tempted to munch on some ham, mmm...
I do know many vegetarians and vegans, one of my closest friends is a vegan, I always ask him how he does it lol.
As to the link with IQ, I'm not sure because of
Thats not really being a vegetarian.Quote:
There was no difference in IQ score between strict vegetarians and those who said they were vegetarian but who reported eating fish or chicken.
The fact is humans need the protein that is in meat, we also need the nutrients from non meat products, thats why we are omnivores. Meat is not unhealthy, but when you eat mass quantities of it, then yea it will be.
The meaning of vegetarianism must be Eating more vegetables in your meal, or having it as major part of your food. and not Not eating any meat, chicken, fish etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sahir
Definitely not a vegetarian!
I live in SA, where Meat is king :eek: :p
Meat Eater here....
But if eating only veggies gives you a higher IQ ..... then where are all the smart people ????
I am here... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GremlinSA
I think Man started eating meat way back in the past probably because it was obviously much easier then (and is today too!) to hunt another animal and gain nutrition, However I think it is high time now that people start looking for vegetarian alternatives since it is better, safer. And regarding the relationship to IQ I am not sure as GremlinSA points out, though one must note that only good eating habits cannot be responsible for something say IQ!
More and more people seem to be turning into meat-eaters than vegans trying out almost anything that has life.
Maybe you simply need a high IQ to make that veggie food taste good...?
I'm not just a meat eater. I also eat egg, fish and turkey... :confused:
- petter
I spare so many lifes everyday :D ;)
No, it's not better for the health.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBeans
Our body has a dependence upon animals proteins because there are essential amino acids (amino acids we're not able to synthetize).
A vegetarian diet may lack those amino acids... Actually, vegetarian diets don't lack essential amino acids so much because eggs or dairy produces are typically accepted by vegetarians.
So, it's possible to get an acceptably balanced vegetarian diet.
But, a typical non-vegetarian diet is easier to balance.
Of course eating too much meat is bad, and I know it's a problem in USA.
A vegetarian here. :wave:
Like it or not, Veg food is most healthy and atleast I can take it without being guilty! And I take food for survival and not for the sake of getting tasty food all the time! I do love food but stick to clean, veggie food. :) I think some of the world's most talented ones have been Veggies, that doesnt mean non-vegetarians are dumb, it just means eating non-veg just doesnt give taht edge over others or something....talent mostly is cultivated over a period of time. So, I dont think its related to IQ.
I knew a Vegan. She was *NOT* skinny, though. Bigger than me!
"Like it or not, Meat food is most healthy and atleast I can take it without being guilty! And I take food for survival and not for the sake of getting tasty food all the time! I do love food but stick to clean, meat food. I think some of the world's most talented ones have been meat'ies, that doesnt mean non-meaties are dumb, it just means eating non-meat just doesnt give taht edge over others or something....talent mostly is cultivated over a period of time. So, I dont think its related to IQ." Hmm... meat.
- petter
EDIT: I'm sorry, but I just had to do that... :blush:
I live by human's nature...meats and plants eater...and sometimes, sintesis food too...
after all, every animals live by eating other living things...vegies included...
Maybe thats why she became a vegan? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dglienna
I doubt it. ;)
The article is suspect. It fails, for example, to consider the fact that intelligence is largely an inherited trait, and as a consequence, the authors should have surveyed the parents to see if the parents were vegetarians.
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Originally Posted by wildfrog
ATleast that didnt work for the Copy-Paste :p
What didn't work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charu0306
It is not supposed to be a copy/paste. It's a copy/replace/paste.
Hm... But even if the parents had decided to be vegetarians, that would have been an acquainted feature - which is not inherited... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeAThon
Mark them both, please don't tell me that your browser doesn't no support that kind of tricks with radio buttons :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hobson
Seriously, even if there IS a correlation between of being a vegetarian and a high IQ - I simply see no point why would someone sacrifice their eating habits in favor of being a little smarter?
I'll put it this way.
I have (and wear in public) shirts that say things like "If we weren't meant to eat animals then why are they made of meat?" and "Save a cow, eat a vegetarian".
Personally, I have met enough non-vegetarians that are intelligent and vegetarians that are dumb -- so, I would tend to take statistics a bit lightly. :D
But otherwise, I don't understand how -
... A non-vegetarian can claim to be one for sake of survival? :DQuote:
"Like it or not, Meat food is most healthy and atleast I can take it without being guilty! And I take food for survival and not for the sake of getting tasty food all the time!
(Unless of course he is in a place like Alaska or Antartica where supermarkets and vegetables are equally rare...)
I have been a vegetarian for all my life now, and not once has my eating habit seen me risk my existence... ;)
Additionally, to all those that believe that vegetarian diet may / will be lacking in proteins / amino-acids, lentils for one supplement these very well (26%) and are available in a rich variety.
I also believe that most that eat non-vegetarian food eat because they grew up with it and find it tasty.
This reason is good enough - right? ;)
Let's talk more about amino acids... I mugged them a lot in pre-college days and did pathetic in the exams.. :D However, let's see what NV have to boast about those! :D ;)
SuperKoko.. I know you are a biology student.. you are not allowed! :D ;)
There is no point in debate, there is nothing which can be proved by a nonsense talk. :)
So, stop before someone gets hurt. :D
Broad-minded people should not have their sentiments hurt with this topic... ;)
BTW, I can't help but notice that so far an overwhelming majority of those that are vegetarians come from the Indian Sub-Continent... Strange because about 50% of the Indians I know are actually non-vegetarians. Wonder why they keep away from CG... :D
Why will anyone get hurt? We want to talk about nutritional facts and may be some of us will gain more knowledge about what we are eating etc. Of course, none of us here is a dietician (or are there any?) but still it can informative. :)
Majority or all - I'm ignoring current location though... :) There are folks in NV vote bank as well..Quote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
I think the 50% you are referring to are occasional NV's, because in india almost 95% people(including non vegetarians) eat veg food as regular diet, I eat non-veg but not daily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
True! True! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Krishnaa
By the way, how about discussing if (i) Eggs and (ii) Milk are V or NV diet? :D
We quarrelled so much on this one in our school days... :D
Of course... Almost all NVs do eat vegetarian food regularly... Not only in India but also in Europe.
The reverse is not true.
If one eats anything that moved :D (or is still moving) one is not classifiable as a vegetarian (all right, I don't know why, but some cultures classify "fish" to be a vegetarian item... ).
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
That reminds me, we debated a lot on 'whether girls should be allowed in armed forces or not' with girls......total nonsense but I enjoyed it. ;)
Well, there is a special term for those that exclude eggs, milk and products made of those from their diet - Vegan. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
I thought europeans eat meat daily...Quote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
They can't exist today! :eek: I can't believe that definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siddhartha
You must have been a real naughty guy in school! Chuckling at them! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Krishnaa
Well, I drink milk and milk rich food - kheer, halwa, sweets etc.. Am I a NV? :(
A non-veggie. :D
Yeah, we were missing you.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuja Ali
Who says milk is non-veg?Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
That link by Sid!Quote:
Originally Posted by Krishnaa
No - it says that milk is not vegan - but still vegetarian. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
Aaah....Looks like that defination of NV means 'the things which are not vegetables'. Most of the indians do think that NV means 'meat'. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
I was missing you too. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by exterminator
I remember one joke on this. I have a very close friend who is a Veggie and eats only eggs. We were chatting once and I told him there is no difference between two of us, rather he is more guilty than I am because I atleaast allow the chicken to see the world before I eat it, however you don't even let him see the light of this world.
This was strictly a joke.
BTW I don't think there is any reason to feel guilty if one eats chicken or meat, it's nature's way to maintain things, animals do eat other animals, they eat humans, why humans should not eat them? It's not like the chicken/pigs are becoming rare species.
The only reason could be health related problems, if there are any(I believe there is none).
Not everybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krishnaa
Personally, I don't eat meat everyday. But I eat meat or fish several days a week.
A correlation doesn't prove any implication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Igor Soukhov
For example, there is a correlation between having a costy car and being rich, but you will never become rich by buying a costy car...
Similarly, there may be something correlated with high IQ that increases the probability of being veg.
In fact, low social class people are probably less likely to think about what they're eating than high class people. And high class people get a better education what gives them a bit better results at IQ tests.
Cultural factors in high IQ "families" can also be an explanation factor.
Other explanations are possible.
Assuming we want to prove that veg diet increases IQ, we would have to do a test such as:
Taking randomly X persons in the whole population.
Giving a veg diet to a group of X/2 persons.
Giving a non-veg diet to the other group of X/2 persons.
After some time, compaing the IQ in the two groups.
If we want to prove that high IQ implies having a veg diet, we would.
Take randomly X children in the whole population.
Decrease IQ in a group of X/2 children (that's not ethically possible).
And, after some time, compare the proportion of vegs in the two groups.
Yep, exactly. :thumb: :) Unfortunately, this simple fact is so often misunderstood or overlooked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKoko
Yeah, and those animals sell kilo's of human flesh in a meat market.. don't they? :D You silly humans! :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Krishnaa
I said.. we and you pointed to me. :) I remember a joke on this... there was a guy in our class who was our class monitor.. he would always use the word "we" and had got habituated. Once he had to propose to a girl and he said.. ".... <some stupid stuff>.. we love you". :D Really, you may have heard this joke but this happened in our class once. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shuja Ali
Very funny! :D Nice one! But the world is so cruel that he might not have had wanted the chicken to come out and see their family being massacred! :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shuja Ali
Oh.. those termatologies... :D I am so confused... what was the question of this thread? Vegan or Vegetarian? I am a vegetarian... but I am in no way a Vegan.. I cannot live that way.. I mean clothes even? How would one live without clothes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guido