Creation Of Universe

[Doctor Luz]

faith is not the beginning of science, but the end of it.

mmmm. Often science is based on "faith". The foundation of many science theories are postulates, that in some way work like religious postulates since you must to belive in them. Thus faith, that way, might be considered as a beginning of science.

[Andy Tacker]

Well, Deniz... 100% to you buddy...
I totally agree... Science can tell what happened, how it happened, and how it is going, what will happen... but WHY it happened... no one can answer... believe me I am not a religious one and i dont go around talking about GOD and stuff....

Simple examples:
1- Jesus Christ never said, I am GOD did he? he said I am son of GOD.
2- Muhammed Never said, I am god. he said I am messenger of GOD.
3- Buddha never said a word about GOD. he said its inside you and there should be nothing like God or its Idol to worship... Now a days, there are Buddha temples, he is treated as a god..

where is the truth??? Yeh, people made GOD and started worshiping... In two words, Religion is MAN-Made, so is GOD... but some super eternal power is out there. I wont say, its watching us...

one funny thing that no matter whether you trust in god or not, If something goes wrong, you would always say "oh! that's my destiny" ... isnt it something you cant control...

and remember -> Matrix is watching you

[cilu]

I'm sorry to say this guys, you are all wrong.

At this point you should bring back the Jesus buddy avatar... Just teasing...

As for those who dispute the reliablity of the Bible by saying "pfft the earth wasn't created in 7 days, you must be stupid if you believe that". To those I say STUDY the Bible, don't just read it.

That exactly what I did. You know I came from a big family with a lot of faith history behind, and I used to go to church each Sunday, for such a long time. But as I begun to read more and more, specially about physics and cosmology, and begun to study the Bible in more details, I realize that there is no such thing us God, and the Bible is just a collection of bed times stories, very obsolete those days. Don't get me wrong, if people would follow the 10 commandments and the teaching of Jesus, the world would be a much better place, but that doesn't mean the fact that God exists.

OK, so here is my view on the Bible: the bible was mistranslated and hence misinterpreted. Word God or Lord God is translated from Yawhe and Elohiym. The later means "the mighty ones", "the rulers". It does not refer to one person, but to a group of people, a spiecies, a civilization. Text like:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

makes much sense now.
By belief is that the Hebrew Bible, aka the Old Testament, describes the encounters of man with another civilization, aka extraterestrials. They travel with ships described so many times, most "accurate" in Ezekiel (chapter 1 and many others, 8,10, 12, 44, etc.). They possesed nuclear weapons (see destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah in "brimstone and fire", the transformation of Lot's wife in a "pillar of salt" (remember the scene from Terminator's Judgement Day when Sarah has that dream with the nuclear explosion burning her body and making it askes, like salt)). They had other weapons/hi-tech devices like the Ark of Covenant which killed so many people, and the symptoms brings us back to nuclear radiations. Same ark was used to destroy the walls of Jericho, "to split" the water os Jordan so that people can cross it, but not very close to it:

Joshua 3:3-4
"And they commanded the people, saying, When ye see the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, and the priests the Levites bearing it, then ye shall remove from your place, and go after it.
Yet there shall be a space between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure: come not near unto it, that ye may know the way by which ye must go: for ye have not passed this way heretofore."

2000 cubits is 36,000 inches or 91,440 cm, which is almost a kilometer.

The crossing of the Red sea, actually happened 100 miles north to the see, in a place called Pihahiroth, before Baalzephon. Red Sea has been translated from the word suph (soof), Strong Hebrew #5488, which means a reed, especially the papyrus: - flag. Red [sea], weed. Thus, the actual translation is Sea of Reeds, which can be found in the Literal Translation of the Holy Bible.

There are so many things, I don't have space in a post for it. The story of the two Creation Accounts and the Great Flood ar topping the list of more absurde ones. I have prepared a whole book about it, called "The Biggest Hoax: The Bible", but I can't find time lately to make the final correction and publish it.

About Jesus, there are more than 333 prophecies about Messiah, 60 of major importance and over 270 ramifications. All of them are said to have been fulfilled by Jesus. Josh McDowell in his book "Evidence of Faith, Practical Apologetics" shown that for only 48 of them to be fulfilled in one single person there is only a chance in 10^157. So many of the Bible prophecies were never fulfilled, so many were incorectly fulfilled. There are so many contradictions that I wonder who can someone that actually read the Bible can still believe in it.

Here are just two about Jesus:

Jesus' grandfather was Jacob/Heli?

Matthew 1:16
"And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."
Luke 3:23
"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,"

If Jesus born witness of himself, his witness is/is not true:

John 8:14a
Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: […]
John 5:31
"If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."

[Siddhartha]

LOL...

The problem is that there is no such thing as God.

The guy who believes in the "Force" does not believe in God...

God is a human creation.

Sure, and... Force? Ah, that must be God's creation...

Thousand of years ago people were scared by the "powers" of the sun, moon, lightnings, heavy rains, etc.

Even today they are...

and took them as entities with high powers, i.e. gods.

Hmm... This does make sense...

Today people still like to believe that there is a higher power that watches over them, that punishes the evil, and rewards the good. I mean no offence to anybody, but that's just puerile...

And... thats a new word for me!

[cilu]

The guy who believes in the "Force" does not believe in God...

Ironic, isn't it?

And... thats a new word for me!

• Of or characteristic of a child
• Displaying or suggesting a lack of maturity

behaving in a silly way, not like an adult

PS: there's always another dictionary to help you...

[NatThoelecke]

OK, so here is my view on the Bible: the bible was mistranslated and hence misinterpreted. Word God or Lord God is translated from Yawhe and Elohiym. The later means "the mighty ones", "the rulers". It does not refer to one person, but to a group of people, a spiecies, a civilization.

I'm interested to know why you have only chosen two of God's many names to support your view that His name was mistranslated and actually refers to a group of people and not a single individual. The proper name of God is also Jehovah which means "the existing One."

2000 cubits is 36,000 inches or 91,440 cm, which is almost a kilometer.

What is your point here? How does this support a mistranslation/misinterpretation?

The crossing of the Red sea, actually happened 100 miles north to the see, in a place called Pihahiroth, before Baalzephon. Red Sea has been translated from the word suph (soof), Strong Hebrew #5488, which means a reed, especially the papyrus: - flag. Red [sea], weed. Thus, the actual translation is Sea of Reeds, which can be found in the Literal Translation of the Holy Bible.

The Red Sea we know today was called the Sea of Reeds then. The people of Isreal still crossed the sea at a location where it is no less a miracle that the sea was parted. While it is true the trek across was somewhat short, probably only a few miles as opposed to hundreds of miles at the sea's widest, it wasn't a place where they could merely wade across or hike around to escape the Egyptian army.

About Jesus, there are more than 333 prophecies about Messiah, 60 of major importance and over 270 ramifications. All of them are said to have been fulfilled by Jesus. Josh McDowell in his book "Evidence of Faith, Practical Apologetics" shown that for only 48 of them to be fulfilled in one single person there is only a chance in 10^157. So many of the Bible prophecies were never fulfilled, so many were incorectly fulfilled. There are so many contradictions that I wonder who can someone that actually read the Bible can still believe in it.

Jesus did fulfill all of the prophecies; however, depending upon a readers viewpoint many of the prophecies in either their literal or metaphorical senses can be misunderstood to mean something other than what was intended by the original prophets. That is why many teachers of the law, Pharisees, and Sadducees did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. These learned men had studied the Messianic prophecies until they new them by heart because they were desperate for His coming. However, they had their own view on what the Messiah's function was and that therefore colored their perspective of the Messianic prophecies. Many, if not all, of the prophecies can be viewed individually in a way that can make it seem that it fits or does not fit with a certain person. However, viewing all of the prophecies together and evaluating whether, in the literal or some metaphorical sense, a certain person fulfills every one of them only one person measures up and that is Jesus.

[cilu]

The proper name of God is also Jehovah which means "the existing One."

Elohiym is the word most often translated into God in the Old Testament, and appears almost 4,000 times. Yehovah appears more than 31,000 times in the Old Testament to describe the mightiest of the Elohiym (remember that elohiym is a plural). Yehovah is the one that contacted Abraham and Moses, or spoke with the prophets.

Here are some verses with the actual words highlighted:

Genesis 3:5
"For God [elohiym] doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods [elohiym], knowing good and evil."

Exodus 15:11
"Who is like unto thee, O LORD [Yehovah], among the gods [el]? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?"

Exodus 18:11
"Now I know that the LORD [Yehovah] is greater than all gods [elohiym]: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them."

Exodus 22:28
"Thou shalt not revile the gods [elohiym], nor curse the ruler of thy people."

Exodus 23:32
"Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods [elohiym]."

Deuteronomy 4:28
"And there ye shall serve gods [elohiym], the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell."

Deuteronomy 10:17
"For the LORD [Yehovah] your God [elohiym] is God [elohiym] of gods [elohiym], and Lord of lords, a great God [el], a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:"

What is your point here? How does this support a mistranslation/misinterpretation?

Nothing. Read the previous post again. It had to do with the Ark of Covenant.

The Red Sea we know today was called the Sea of Reeds then.

I never heard of that... Can you point to some documentation where I can read more about it?

[Deniz]

Andy Tacker:
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
John 1:1-5
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
John 1:14
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 1

There are also many where he states he is the only Son of God but it would take me hours to dig them all up.


Read the "spectators guide to world religions" book referenced above to see how & why Buddhism digressed. You are right about muhammed. He only said he was the messenger & the whole religion started through him with nothing there to keep him honest. Christianity unfolded through many people which was good in a sense that they were kept accoutable.

Religion is MAN-Made = true
God is MAN-Made = how did a man rise from the dead then??? (plus many other wierd things like lepers being cleansed, blind seeing, lame walking...)

Cilu:
"as I begun to read more and more, specially about physics and cosmology, and begun to study the Bible in more details, I realize that there is no such thing us God, and the Bible is just a collection of bed times stories"
-care to elaborate on how you came to this conclusion? I've read some astronomy too & I never thought what you did.

"the bible was mistranslated and hence misinterpreted"
-With 20,000 copies of the Bible dating back to the original sources, don't you think it would be harder to make mistakes & keep the mistakes than to have it all done right? And don't you think the Dead Sea Scrolls would have been some proof that they were translated reliably in the first place?

Another note about the aliens: Watch less television. :P

I won't comment on your book. Thats your choice.

"About Jesus, there are more than 333 prophecies about Messiah, 60 of major importance and over 270 ramifications. All of them are said to have been fulfilled by Jesus. Josh McDowell in his book "Evidence of Faith, Practical Apologetics" shown that for only 48 of them to be fulfilled in one single person there is only a chance in 10^157. So many of the Bible prophecies were never fulfilled, so many were incorectly fulfilled. There are so many contradictions that I wonder who can someone that actually read the Bible can still believe in it."
-How do you know the prophecies are not fullfilled? (NatThoelecke gave a good answer to that) I think the prophecies that we know of that were fullfilled in Jesus is no coincidence, which seems to be what you are suggesting.

Cilu, I can give you more minute contradictions as you have found: When they went to Jesus' tomb on the third day, in one book it states 2 women went in another it states 1. Big deal. That's not the point. The point is what Jesus did, who he was & what he was here for. Cilu, I think you know what you are talking about but you have not heard it or understood it. But put these ones in your book anyway.

I see you made no references to his ressurection?

I see you forgot to mention Psalm 82?

Cilu, maybe you are confused with the Trinity? God in 3 personas: God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit.

John 1:1-5
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

(This is also a reference to Jesus being God.)

[mdmd]

Right, but at least my pants didn't split today.

Anyhoo, I did some research on religion and found New Evidence that Noah's
sons rode flying dinosaurs. So its all about the Arc, huh ?

Cilu, maybe you are confused with the Trinity? God in 3 personas: God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit.

And don't forget: God the dressed up refridgerator magnet


Heh, you can make Church sign magnets for the fridge too.

// continuing off topic
I never knew Lucy was real, and now she's died

[Marc G]

A quantum fluctuation in the primordial singularity caused the big-bang which created the universe

[Siddhartha]

A quantum fluctuation in the primordial singularity caused the big-bang which created the universe

I often tease my sister that she was born in the Big Bang!
(Err... is this off-topic... )

[cilu]

Deniz I know hundreds of contradiction in the Bible, you don't expect me to post them here, right? Listen, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I was just stating what I believe. You don't have to agree.

I see you made no references to his ressurection?

I don't have to. If God\Lord\Yehovah\ is not actually a god, than neither is Jesus, his son. Whether he resurected or not makes no importance any more. It's not hard to start a religion from a misbelief. The misbelief here is the resurection. They didn't see the body, so that means that he resurected? How can I be so sure about the intentions of the people who wrote the books of the New Testament? They could have lied anyway to achieve a goal. Change the religious and political system in the country.

I've read some astronomy too & I never thought what you did.

The idea is that the Bible tells a bed-time story about the creation of the Universe and the world. Come on, its really childish, with the light being created before the starts, etc. etc. Reading physics and cosmology books I've seen something greater. I've understood the contradiction between reality and Bible. And since the Bible does not explain anything and physics does I can't relly on the Bible.

Here some questions for you. Is god present everywhere? What is he, some sort of universal ether? How is does time pass for god? Times pass slower or faster, depending on how fast you travel. Does god exists in black holes also? Did god existed before the bing bang? Where? Nowadays we have come to undersand that there are more that just one universe. There are a lot of universes, of various shapes and nature. Does god live in all?

There are also many where he states he is the only Son of God but it would take me hours to dig them all up.

I recommend you e-sword.

[Latem]

There is a story about a young woman who comes before a judge in the USA and she is accused of so many traffic infringements. The judge asks her how she pleads and she says "guilty". The judge gives her a $10000 penalty which she can't pay. Right after this, the judge gets up, takes off his judges robe, steps down to where the young woman is and pays the fine himself. You see, the judge was her father. And the father loved her child so much he payed for her debt. And the woman is set free. And the judge is still a judge, if anything, a greater judge for showing compassion & mercy for her children.

This just shows she was a spoiled little brat...

Latem

[Deniz]

Deniz I know hundreds of contradiction in the Bible, you don't expect me to post them here, right?

Cilu contradictions of minor importannce depending on the persons writing or the little things on how it was passed down are usually just that - minor contradictions. For example in one Gospel it will say 1 woman found Jesus' empty tomb and in another it will say 2 did. This is not the point but proof that the Bible wasn't tampered with. If it were, all those minor contradictions would have been fixed. On the other hand, there are NO major contradictions in the Bible. There are no contradictions about the Trinity, about Jesus' life death & ressurection, about his purpose. You will find hundreds of miracles in the Bible such as the prophet Isaiah describing how & why Jesus would die 700 years before Jesus was born. Pointing our minor contradictions in order to disredit the Bible only shows unwillingness & hostility towards the Bible. That was one of my starting points on my journey towards God. I wanted to know WHY the whole world was against Jesus, why our social & moral values were declining and WHY mass media was desperate to discredit Jesus. Where there is smoke there is fire. I found out why & that's one of the many reasons I became a Christian.

I don't have to. If God\Lord\Yehovah\ is not actually a god, than neither is Jesus, his son. Whether he resurected or not makes no importance any more.

If you don't believe in God then you are still faced with challenges of answering a lot of questions such as Jesus' ressurection, the miracles of Jesus, how & why we are here etc etc etc etc... There are too many to go into. Have you read "More than a carpenter"? Many of these questions are already answered in that book.

It's not hard to start a religion from a misbelief.

I agree. Wasn't scientology started as a joke in a uni cafeteria? But Christianity wasn't started by men it was started by God.

The misbelief here is the resurection. They didn't see the body, so that means that he resurected? How can I be so sure about the intentions of the people who wrote the books of the New Testament? They could have lied anyway to achieve a goal. Change the religious and political system in the country.

This "misbelief" as you call it goes far deeper than what you mentioned. For centuries people tried to discredit the "ressurection". Just like we can not prove Napoleon ever lived, we can't prove this. But just as we CAN prove Napoleon ever lived by looking at history we CAN prove Jesus was ressurected by looking at history. This is explained in the book "More than a carpenter" (dont be lazy, just read it )
1- FACT: Jesus' tomb WAS empty. If it wasnt, dont you think the Romans or Jews who hated Jesus cart his dead body around and say "haha here he is, he IS dead".
2- FACT: Hundreds of people testify seeing him alive including his closest friends. This was written in the Gospel while some of those were still alive. And no one opposed it.
3- FACT: His closest friends, the apostles, who were uneducated & timid, the same apostles who rejected Jesus & fled when he was arrested, changed overnight after the ressurection. These timid men in hiding & scattered after seeing Jesus were on the streets & in the temples proclaiming His ressurection.
4- FACT: These apostles didn't gain anything from doing this, in fact, they were persecuted & 11 of the 12 were in fact executed but still did not say that the ressurection was not real. Wouldn't you think at least one would have blurted out "no, we made it up" to save his life? And had this had happened dont you think the biggest haters of Jesus would have held on to this to discredit Jesus? But this didnt happen.

There have been many false claims such as "Jesus wasnt dead, he was merely wounded & passed out & he woke up in the tomb". If thats the case, I think they would have hid him from the hundreds. Muslims claim "They didnt crucify Jesus but they thought they did". Come on, dont insult the intelligence of the Romans & the Sanhedrin. Read the book "More than a carpenter" for more details & more info.

They could have lied anyway to achieve a goal. Change the religious and political system in the country.

They got nothing in return. They were tortured & killed. Yet none of them turned back on their word that Jesus was alive. Wouldnt you have backflipped once you saw you werent going to get anything out of it? As for the political system change, again, it made no difference. Judaism was fine as far as political systems go why make it into something that would end up seeing Jerusalem destroyed? That theory makes no sense either.

The idea is that the Bible tells a bed-time story about the creation of the Universe and the world. Come on, its really childish, with the light being created before the starts, etc. etc. Reading physics and cosmology books I've seen something greater. I've understood the contradiction between reality and Bible. And since the Bible does not explain anything and physics does I can't relly on the Bible.

Ok, as it appears you didn't read my previous posts about reading different literature let me remind you. Reading literature & understanding it are different things. The Old Testament is often used by Anti-Christian groups to target Christianity, in fact it is probably used %99.9 percent of the time.
Genesis as scholars & theologans understand it today was written in a very symbollic form which was the norm of the society at the time. I explained this before, so here I quote what I said:

As for those who dispute the reliablity of the Bible by saying "pfft the earth wasn't created in 7 days, you must be stupid if you believe that". To those I say STUDY the Bible, don't just read it. You will see that the Bible is not just one book, it is a collection of books composed of history, poetic literature, guidelines, instructions, self-help type encouraging books & of course the life, death & ressurection stories of Jesus (the Gospels). When you read poetry you take it on board as poetry, not scientific fact. When you read psalms or songs, you think to yourself, this is just a psalm, a devotional to God. And for the earliest books (Exodus, Leviticus & Deuteronomy) you keep in mind what the Old Covenant & the New Covenant means. Genesis was a book written for people of the time in a very symbolic manner. Just as the world wasn't created in 6 days neither did God "take a stroll in the garden of Eden". They are symbollic.

Hope that answers your question.

Here some questions for you. Is god present everywhere? What is he, some sort of universal ether? How is does time pass for god? Times pass slower or faster, depending on how fast you travel. Does god exists in black holes also? Did god existed before the bing bang? Where? Nowadays we have come to undersand that there are more that just one universe. There are a lot of universes, of various shapes and nature. Does god live in all?

Cilu if you are indeed interested in what God may be like in a more physical sense I suggest you read Revelation which in a symbollic sense gives a picture of a few things. But as far as what God looks like Jesus himself has said "No one has seen the Father but me" but it does give us the assurance that we will dwell in his house one day. I won't speculate about things which are really not constructive to my life.
The important thing is this: God has told us what he is like in nature and that should be our main concern. Doesnt matter if he lives in black holes or supernovas. Doesnt matter if the earth is not the centre of the universe. As for your comments on our understanding of science today, what you have said are mere speculation. Saying "There are a lot of universes, of various shapes and nature." you are conveying theories. Remember the world was flat in theory once upon a time. So theories can fail & are usually derived from men who just want their name in science journals. Until someone else comes & disproves them. But my simple answer about that is this: I don't know.


Anymore questions?

[cherish]

Whoa! After reading how things went from Creation of Universe to existence of God to the validity of the Bible, resurrection of Jesus, etc, etc... I knew this thread would be interesting, especially CG is frequented by thinking people.

I wanted to reply on the some things said here, but I'll just stick to the topic of the thread. Getting to the point, I believe that the universe is simply amazing. Science have proved thus, and if one will truly be honest to oneself, and looks closely (unprejudiced by one's pre-determined opinion and of others), the universe really does show harmony. I'm gonna try to approach this using what science has discovered so far. Here are the proofs:

1) Number of Galaxies:
We know that the Solar System (where the Earth, our planet is in) is in the Milky Way Galaxy. Until the 1920’s, that seemed to be the only galaxy. But we know, that observations with larger telescopes have since proved otherwise.. and have found out that our universe contains at least 50,000,000,000 galaxies. We do not mean 50 billion stars—but at least 50 billion galaxies, each with billions of stars like our sun. Yet it was not the staggering quantity of huge galaxies that shook scientific beliefs in the 1920’s. It was that they are all in motion.

Astronomers discovered a remarkable fact: When galactic light was passed through a prism, the light waves were seen to be stretched, indicating motion away from us at great speed. The more distant a galaxy, the faster it appeared to be receding. That points to an expanding universe!

Even if we are neither professional astronomers nor amateurs, we can see that an expanding universe would have profound implications about our past—and perhaps our personal future too. Something must have started the process—a force powerful enough to overcome the immense gravity of the entire universe. You have good reason to ask, ‘What could be the source of such dynamic energy?’

Although most scientists trace the universe back to a very small, dense beginning (a singularity), we cannot avoid this key issue: "If at some point in the past, the Universe was once close to a singular state of infinitely small size and infinite density, we have to ask what was there before and what was outside the Universe. . . . We have to face the problem of a Beginning."—Sir Bernard Lovell.

This implies more than just a source of vast energy. Foresight and intelligence are also needed because the rate of expansion seems very finely tuned. "If the Universe had expanded one million millionth part faster," said Lovell, "then all the material in the Universe would have dispersed by now. . . . And if it had been a million millionth part slower, then gravitational forces would have caused the Universe to collapse within the first thousand million years or so of its existence. Again, there would have been no long-lived stars and no life."

2) Fine-Tuning:
The four fundamental forces come into play both in the vastness of the cosmos and in the infinite smallness of atomic structures. Yes, everything we see around us is involved.

Elements vital for our life (particularly carbon, oxygen, and iron) could not exist were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in the universe. We already mentioned one force, gravity. Another is the electromagnetic force. If it were significantly weaker, electrons would not be held around the nucleus of an atom. ‘Would that be serious?’ some might wonder. Yes, because atoms could not combine to form molecules. Conversely, if this force were much stronger, electrons would be trapped on the nucleus of an atom. There could be no chemical reactions between atoms—meaning no life. Even from this standpoint, it is clear that our existence and life depend on the fine-tuning of the electromagnetic force.

And consider the cosmic scale: A slight difference in the electromagnetic force would affect the sun and thus alter the light reaching the earth, making photosynthesis in plants difficult or impossible. It could also rob water of its unique properties, which are vital for life. So again, the precise tuning of the electromagnetic force determines whether we live or not.

Equally vital is the intensity of the electromagnetic force in relation to the other three. For example, some physicists figure this force to be 10,000,- 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1040) times that of gravity. It might seem a small change to that number to add one more zero (1041). Yet that would mean that gravity is proportionally weaker, and Dr. Reinhard Breuer comments on the resulting situation: "With lower gravity the stars would be smaller, and the pressure of gravity in their interiors would not drive the temperature high enough for nuclear fusion reactions to get under way: the sun would be unable to shine." You can imagine what that would mean for us!

What if gravity were stronger proportionately, so that the number had only 39 zeros (1039)? "With just this tiny adjustment," continues Breuer, "a star like the sun would find its life expectancy sharply reduced." And other scientists consider the fine-tuning to be even more precise.

Indeed, two remarkable qualities of our sun and other stars are long-term efficiency and stability. Consider a simple illustration. We know that to run efficiently, an automobile engine needs a critical ratio between fuel and air; engineers design complex mechanical and computer systems to optimize performance. If that is so with a mere engine, what of the efficiently "burning" stars such as our sun? The key forces involved are precisely tuned, optimized for life. Did that precision just happen?

3) The Two Nuclear Forces:
The structure of the universe involves much more than fine-tuning just gravity and the electromagnetic force. Two other physical forces also relate to our life.

These two forces operate in the nucleus of an atom, and they give ample evidence of forethought. Consider the strong nuclear force, which glues protons and neutrons together in the nucleus of the atom. Because of this bonding, various elements can form—light ones (such as helium and oxygen) and heavy ones (such as gold and lead). It seems that if this binding force were a mere 2-percent weaker, only hydrogen would exist. Conversely, if this force were slightly stronger, only heavier elements, but no hydrogen, could be found. Would our lives be affected? Well, if the universe lacked hydrogen, our sun would not have the fuel it needs to radiate life-giving energy. And, of course, we would have no water or food, since hydrogen is an essential ingredient of both.

The fourth force, called the weak nuclear force, controls radioactive decay. It also affects thermonuclear activity in our sun. ‘Is this force fine-tuned?’ you might ask. Mathematician and physicist Freeman Dyson explains: “The weak [force] is millions of times weaker than the nuclear force. It is just weak enough so that the hydrogen in the sun burns at a slow and steady rate. If the weak [force] were much stronger or much weaker, any forms of life dependent on sunlike stars would again be in difficulties.” Yes, this precise rate of burning keeps our earth warm—but not incinerated—and keeps us alive.

Furthermore, scientists believe that the weak force plays a role in supernova explosions, which they give as the mechanism for producing and distributing most elements. “If those nuclear forces were in any way slightly different from the way they actually are, the stars would be incapable of making the elements of which you and I are composed,” explains physicist John Polkinghorne.

More could be said, but you likely understand the point. There is an amazing degree of fine-tuning in these four fundamental forces. “All around us, we seem to see evidence that nature got it just right,” wrote Professor Paul Davies. Yes, the precise tuning of the fundamental forces has made possible the existence and operation of our sun, our delightful planet with its life-sustaining water, our atmosphere so vital for life, and a vast array of precious chemical elements on earth. But ask yourself, ‘Did such precise tuning happened by chance?’

I hope I was able to show you (those who cared to read this) how everything around us... (seen or not seen) proves that there is an intelligent Creator. The originator of all things. Since no human created or is the source the things I have mentioned here... I for one call the originator of all things "God" ... thus, God is not a product of the human mind. For amazing things around us is not a product of our imagination or our mind. Science has proved so.