Bomb blasts in Bombay...

[MrBeans]

I don't know where exactly but you moved off-topic. A new thread is required.

No way I have not gone off-topic. You asked the fault of our people that makes me think communist rule is better so I said...again it is people just don’t follow rules.

I find it wierd how this discussion started in Bombay and Srinagar blasts thread.

This thread basically indicates a tragic event that took place yesterday in Mumbai and now we are in the second phase as to why this is all happening.

And regarding reservation I don't even want to comment as it is last thing our Politicians can do to hurt the country and now they want to do it in the private sector too...

At least one good thing is that all of us here share the same thought...only thing is to convince the rest 1 billion people

[humptydumpty]

Believe me Shuja, but a villager may be knowing his rights better than what I do... they know the law better... its not what matters.. what matters is how they use it .. and there can never be a 100% alignment in thinking of people all around the country. There will be diversity.. a major one.. but thats what makes it challenging... Everyone wants their benefit and hence that immediately affects the poll results. If in a Gram Panchayat election, a candi says he will provide better facilities - then the pollers should not, cannot and must not decide who to vote based on what the results might be in some other place. Development is a slow process and it happens in patches.

The country has come a long way from the pre-Independence disasters. It sure is moving ahead - it will!

I find it wierd how this discussion started in Bombay and Srinagar blasts thread.

First thing come to real World and Don't Forget that we are staying in India . Where in Villiage a lots of persons not getting food proper and you are saying they know their rights better then us. Come with me anytime i will show you real village.My 3 to 4 Relatives are sarpanch in different village and they are from last 50 years so i know all of these things very closly. Okay. So Fligh as u can high But always remember That your feet are on the Ground . you said you know your right i can bet That if in gudgao or noida a Policeman caught your .if you don't know any good or powerful Person you can't do anything .that time you will Forget your Rights. So my Question is till Then Portly and people are uneducated in the contry . No one can think high.
Because as i know high wind blown on high hills.

Thanx

[chmanish]

I dont understand how terrorrist acts are to be linked with how well informed we are about our rights or how well educated we are.

May be we are loosing the actual issue in this thread and confused it with mumbai watterlogging thread??

Even if India was 100% literate and well informed about our rights and all our netas were kind-hearted gentlemen, would that prevent a mindless fellow (who probably is not an Indian national) from blowing up trains.

Here we are not at fault. The mentality of some people is. They just dont understand and have any human feelings..

Didnt similar attacks happen on so called civilized and well-educated countries like UK and US?

[exterminator]

First thing come to real World and Don't Forget that we are staying in India . Where in Villiage a lots of persons not getting food proper and you are saying they know their rights better then us. Come with me anytime i will show you real village.My 3 to 4 Relatives are sarpanch in different village and they are from last 50 years so i know all of these things very closly. Okay. So Fligh as u can high But always remember That your feet are on the Ground . you said you know your right i can bet That if in gudgao or noida a Policeman caught your .if you don't know any good or powerful Person you can't do anything .that time you will Forget your Rights. So my Question is till Then Portly and people are uneducated in the contry . No one can think high.
Because as i know high wind blown on high hills.

C'mon - there are not lots of villages who are not getting proper food. They are the reason you are getting food. Think about it! Though I do agree that there are some regions where due to power, water and other infrastructure shortage - they are not able to progress well and are not self-sufficient but things are happening along that line - they are not completely ignored. And believe me, in a region that has no water people may be knowing their rights... it is just that there is no "Right to Food" among the fundamental ones.

You are contradicting your own points.. what is your point?

On the policeman issue -
1. Why would he catch me?
2. If you are thinking of a traffic policeman - then I will be caught once, twice .. but not the next time - because even if I am un-educated - I will learn to keep the following things while I am driving: (a) my driving license (b) no pollution certificate (c) vehicle registration papers and others as necessary. If am faulty - I will pay the fine.. if I am not I won't.
3. This issue that you quote infact makes my argument stronger - policeman are educated, I am educated - still it happens.. education doesn't help much (though to a very small extent) - what helps is your perspective.

I could go on and on .. but I will stop.

[exterminator]

I dont understand how terrorrist acts are to be linked with how well informed we are about our rights or how well educated we are.

May be we are loosing the actual issue in this thread and confused it with mumbai watterlogging thread??

Even if India was 100% literate and well informed about our rights and all our netas were kind-hearted gentlemen, would that prevent a mindless fellow (who probably is not an Indian national) from blowing up trains.

Here we are not at fault. The mentality of some people is. They just dont understand and have any human feelings..

Didnt similar attacks happen on so called civilized and well-educated countries like UK and US?

Exactly my point... I couldn't have had said it better!

[Max Payne]

My sincere condolonces to the victims in Mumbai. Really another regretable event..

But I hope that people in Mumbai specifically and India generally would not be raged and make an unwise and hasty decision, that same mistake the Americans did after 9/11. What I afraid of most not that India would go to war with another country (which could be a big disaster itself), but whats more dangerous is the Indian people going to war with each other, religious clash as seen before. I hope not to see that kind of news..

from your discussions (which is off-topic), you guys are saying about educating the people so that they would not be manipulated easily by the politicians, but who is going to educate them, and by what means? if education system(schools & college) and media (tv, & newspaper) is the only means of education accessible to most people, and it is controlled by the goverment which is run by bad politicians, I don't see any hope..

some might say that in western developed countries (US/UK.. etc), the people are more educated, yes, very true, but they are not well informed or exposed. They might know everything about internet banking or the DNA structure in detail (i'm exagerating here) but do they know how to differenciate a muslim fundamentalist and a terrorist? you see my point is not blaming the people, rather the blame is on the leaders, the law makers, the goverments, most presidents are more concerned about his presidency rather that the country and its peoples..! They are slaves to their idealism rather that serving the people that same idealism preaches, I see that most religions and most idealism(maybe except facism and others similar) are meant to serve the people and bring a better life to them, look at socialism, how noble the idea is, but how it is when put to practical under Stalin.. ok.. I better stop now..

peace to the world... I don't think I can change the world to be better, so I'll just try my best to change myself.

[Sahir]

Bombed but not beaten

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

[chmanish]

Got this from a friend at Mumbai:

Dear Terrorist,

Even if you are not reading this we don't care. Time and again you tried
to
disturb us and disrupt our life - killing innocent civilians by planting
bombs in trains, buses and cars. You have tried hard to bring death and
destruction, cause panic and fear and create communal disharmony but
everytime you were disgustingly unsuccessful. Do you know how we pass
our
life in Mumbai? How much it takes for us to earn that single rupee? If
you
wanted to give us a shock then we are sorry to say that you failed
miserably in your ulterior motives. Better look elsewere, not here.

We are not Hindus and Muslims or Gujaratis and Marathis or Punjabis and
Bengaliies. Nor do we distinguish ourselves as owners or workers, govt.
employees or private employees. WE ARE MUMBAIKERS (Bombay-ites, if you
like). We will not allow you to disrupt our life like this. On the last
few
occassions when you struck (including the 7 deadly blasts in a single
day
killing over 250 people and injuring 500+ in 1993), we went to work next
day in full strength. This time we cleared everything within a few hours
and were back to normal - the vendors placing their next order,
businessmen
finalizing the next deals and the office workers rushing to catch the
next
train. (Yes the same train you targetted)

Fathom this: Within 3 hours of the blasts, long queues of blood donating
volunteers were seen outside various hospital, where most of the injured
were admitted. By 12 midnight, the hospital had to issue a notification
that blood banks were full and they didn't require any more blood. The
next
day, attendance at schools and office was close to 100%, trains & buses
were packed to the brim, the crowds were back.
The city has simply dusted itself off and moved one - perhaps with
greater
vigour.

We are Mumbaikers and we live like brothers in times like this. So, do
not
dare to threaten us with your crackers. The spirit of Mumbai is very
strong
and can not be harmed.

Please forward this to others. U never know, by chance it may come to
hands
of a terrorist in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iraq and he can then read
this
message which is specially meant for him!!!

With Love,
From the people of Mumbai (Bombay)

Salaam Mumbai!!

[Sarevok]

Reading the letter gave me goosebumps. It's well written and I can really feel the emotion

[humptydumpty]

Today your sanskrit Slogan Fully Fit with this Letter. I must say to salam India. we are Indian and proud to be a Indian .

Yasha na Vidhya 
Tapo na danam
Gyanam na selam
Guno na dharmam
Te manusy loka buvi bharuta
manusye rupen mregah charanti

Thanx

[chmanish]

Let me translate :


Yasha na Vidhya
Tapo na danam

A person who has no education (vidhya), has not worked hard (tapo) and is not generous (danam)

Gyanam na selam
Guno na dharmam

Who has no knowledge (gyanam), no shame (sheelam), no good attributes (guna) and does not believe in righteousness (dharam)


Te manusy loka buvi bharuta
manusye rupen mregah charanti

he is like useless weight on the earth and an animal in form of human.



Mumbaikars have displayed their gyan, dharam abd vidya by not starting fighting with each other on communal/sectarian lines.

they also displayed dan and dharam while helping each other in worst times.

The terrorists on the other hand had no shame, no dharam, no mercy, no generocity.. they are actually animals in form of humans...