beginners' guides/ tutorials/ courses recommendations?

**nuzzle** · August 17th, 2009, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by andrey_zh

Learn either C or Pascal (better both)! C is almost the subset of C++. Pascal lacks some C tricky constructions, but modern extensions seem to provide even some C++-like constructions.

If we're talking other languages, there's an optimal choise for the OP, namely Java. It's much easier than than C++ in many ways and it's the language the OP is most likely to encounter in his further education.

**Speedo** · August 17th, 2009, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by nuzzle

Sure, but better safe than sorry. For people with a certain predisposition, programming has a tendency to become compulsory. It may easily lead to neglect.

You really think that the kind of teenager who would abandon schoolwork to become a leet hacker is going to stop programming and become valedictorian just because you tell them to?

**Ace of Anton** · August 17th, 2009, 09:04 PM

...i think i'll just look at the local bookstore

**Ace of Anton** · August 18th, 2009, 03:19 PM

i got SAMS teach yourself c++ in hour a day. is that a good choice?

**potatoCode** · August 19th, 2009, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Ace of Anton

i got SAMS teach yourself c++ in hour a day. is that a good choice?

I havn't read that book. But if it's one of those "master something in 21 days", then, I'd say big no to that, for the reasons you will see clearly as you wade through the sea of C++ in the future.

By the way, they have AP courses in J.H.S now? dang...

**potatoCode** · August 19th, 2009, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Speedo

If the only way to have a career in programming was to be high school valedictorian and then attended MIT or Stanford, this would be a very small field. If he is able to pursue his interest in programming without neglecting his schoolwork, there is not reason whatsoever that he shouldn't do so.

Hello Speedo, it's been awhile since I saw your post! (isn't it? ....not sure)

I'm afraid, I must disagree with you on this, and say that
Nuzzle made a valid (and realistic) point about having the degree.
For the past two years, I've completely devoted my heart and soul in learning C++.
I can say this,
because I've looked at a full 3 sememster(1 and 1/2 year) C++ course at two different
local colleges, and was pleasantly surprised that the highest level of C++ was something I
learned long, long before (thanks to all the CG members!)

But two years of self-devotion doesn't come even close to having an associate degree.
For God knows how long I've tried to find intern position,
but I havn't got a single reply... Why? because almost all employers require a 4-year degree,
and now, I'm 99% certain that my resume doesn't even make it to the HR desk.

The field itself might be big, or small, I don't know.
One thing I do know is that the doors surely is prejudicous.

**nuzzle** · August 19th, 2009, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by Speedo

You really think that the kind of teenager who would abandon schoolwork to become a leet hacker is going to stop programming and become valedictorian just because you tell them to?

Well what do I know. There's never a guarantee people will listen to you but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

**Ace of Anton** · August 19th, 2009, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by potatoCode

I havn't read that book. But if it's one of those "master something in 21 days", then, I'd say big no to that, for the reasons you will see clearly as you wade through the sea of C++ in the future.

By the way, they have AP courses in J.H.S now? dang...

it isn't a teach yourself in 21 days book. so far, it's pretty good. btw, why do most guides/tutorials put loops in the middle or end? i learned those almost immediately. hm.

oh, and not normally. but i'm a special case

**Ace of Anton** · August 22nd, 2009, 09:12 PM

one of the authors is a guru here, it says in his bio in the book. does the name jesse liberty ring a bell?

**nuzzle** · August 22nd, 2009, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Ace of Anton

one of the authors is a guru here, it says in his bio in the book. does the name jesse liberty ring a bell?

So you're a troll.

Well what did you accomplish?

To be a troll you should have an agenda.

**Ace of Anton** · August 23rd, 2009, 06:40 PM

come again?

**mikoil** · August 23rd, 2009, 07:58 PM

Take this advice, it'll save you a lot of time:

http://www.cplusplus.com/

That's ALL YOU NEED.

Good luck!

**mikoil** · August 23rd, 2009, 07:58 PM

http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/

.. to be exact.

**Ace of Anton** · August 23rd, 2009, 10:03 PM

an hour and a half and counting! 12 reloads, lots of frustration. well, the link doesn't work.

**Ace of Anton** · August 24th, 2009, 07:09 PM

oh wait. nvr mind! thanks!

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