Ratio of VC/C & VB

[aio]

Now, we know where we are -- Thanks to Sonu on this thread.
http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showth...hreadid=204164
What about who & what we are?

Anyway, the poll is to probe the ratio of VC/C programmers and VB programmers here in codeguru -- at least those active ones? If we base on the number of posts or number of threads, it seems that VC/Cs outnumbers VBs 4 to 1. But since VC/C is tougher to learn than VB, it could just be the reason why there are more threads and posts in VC/C compared with VB -- not an indicator on the real ratio of active members.

Let's probe it friends. Please vote. Thanks.

PS: I voted for "VB Only"

[Sonu Kapoor]

VC forever !!!!

I am a VC developer and i think i will stay it forever, althoug i have also developed in some internet languages included Java. If neccesary i will also do VB, but deep in my heart i am a VC developer.

-Sonu

[Cimperiali]

Cesare Imperiali

[irona20]

I'm in favour of Sonu... VC forever

[aio]

Sonu:
VC forever !!!!

CImperiali:
VB Forever!

Irona20:
I'm in favour of Sonu... VC forever

Thanks. May I ask why?

Well, for me, I am not really a programmer by profession. Primarily, I'm a Sales & Marketing Services and Research personnel, and secondarily, a musician (bass guitar player) occasionally on weekends. I only write programs to solve problems related to my functions in Marketing.

More than 10 years ago, I was forced to learn programming because everytime I have projects then, I often have to explain a lot of things to our SA/Programmers who would often dazzle me with arcane tech words I could hardly understand. And if they can't deliver for me good/friendly programs, would automatically criticize me for "not having able to explain well" my needs.

My first programming languages were MS QBasic, Borland's Turbo Pascal and Turbo C. I also tried Assembly but immediately abandoned it when after a month of reading books, all I was able to achieve was to print the word "Hello World" in the middle of the screen.

Later on, I concentrated only on MS-BASICs (QB, VB1, VB4, VB6, & VBA) because this is the only thing that makes me enjoy solving the real problem and my music without dwelling so deep on technicalities often associated with Cs.


So what make you a VC/C or VB fanatics?

[Cimperiali]

...That is:
Vb seems easy to me, there is plenty of info everywhere (sites, books) and it took me only ten minutes when I started to print my
"hello word" in the middle of a form. It took 10 minutes also with C++, but with Vb I was also able to:
change colors of text while running, make text compose on the form word by word nad play a wav file in the meantime. Never tried to do the same with C++...
Definitely for me: Vb (and in the earlier times Basic) was easy to learn, and gave satisfactions since early times, while Java, C, C++ gave me really headache.
I also learned Rpg/400 (for a different kind of machine: As/400), but the green characters I could use (no pixels or mouse there, only charachters and text info, like worrking in Dos mode only) made me really sad, while the colored world of VB made and makes me happy.

[Sonu Kapoor]

I was searching for a language with which i can do nearly anything what i want in windows. That was the main reason why i started with VC++ and not with VB. Since i learned also C and C++, i thought i would be good to stay with VC++. Till today i am doing VC++ and have never touched VB, i hope, that i will never have to learn VB. If yes i will do it !!! Not that i am en enemy of VB.

-Sonu

[irona20]

Well... in my first work.. my boss said to me: you have to learn VC++, and... I had to learn VC++
Before that, I had programmed in VB at home for hobbie, but now I enjoy more with VC++ than VB, and right now I am learning about Java (for hobbie too). I love to learn about programming

[Gabriel Fleseriu]

You may want to read this.

My favorite is C++, meaning that I like it best, but not that I would favor it irrationally in a business decision.

[JeffB]

I know both, but I know more VB and VB is more easy to learn "on-the-fly" than VC++. It's a pain to use CDaoDatabase (or something like that ) in Visual C++ if you don't have a book or a teacher.

I have started programming in QuickBasic 4.5, and I have "love" that. I quickly start to program game and little application in QB45, but that was a long time ago, when I started studying Programming, we learn ALL, VC++, C++, java, VB, Delphi, Cobol !, ..., but VB is so easy to learn and you can quickly make application with it. I've done complex program in Visual C++, I like the class system, but one thing I dislike is that you don't feel creating your program yourself, for example, create a MDI in Visual C++, before writing one line of code, you'll have a bunch of files full of code you don't really know what they do. Erase one line or add a character somewhere that you will never SEE AGAIN, and it is out. It happens sometimes, a whole project that don't want to compile again, and you don't know why... And it's a pain to link View and Doc and all of these things in a MDI. If you don't know how, or if you don't remember, you'll have to find it somewhere because it is all except intuitive Why make it so complicated!

My two cents

JeffB

[Sonu Kapoor]

I think VB is a limited language. You could never write a Networking application like "Ping" in VB.

VB's advantage is that is very easy to learn for everybody.
VC's advantage is that, you can nearly do everything what you want.

VB's disadvantage is, that it is very limited.
VC's disadvantage is, that it is very complicated, but once you have mastered and understand how it works, you will never want to develope in any other language.

-Sonu

[Gabriel Fleseriu]

Originally posted by Sonu Kapoor
<snip>
VC's disadvantage is, that it is very complicated, but once you have mastered and understand how it works, you will never want to develope in any other language.

I somehow disagree with that. IMHO, the correct formulation is "...but once you have mastered and understand how it works, you will be happyest if the circumstances allow you to program in C++ and don't force you to use any other language".

Ok-ok, I've been nit-picking here

[Sonu Kapoor]

Originally posted by Gabriel Fleseriu


I somehow disagree with that. IMHO, the correct formulation is "...but once you have mastered and understand how it works, you will be happyest if the circumstances allow you to program in C++ and don't force you to use any other language".

Ok-ok, I've been nit-picking here

how true !!!

-Sonu

[aio]

I have seen several fora comparing VC with other languages (and usually with VB). If this question is put forward, the immediate impulse of VC users is the power of VC/C. The immediately response of VB users on the other hand is how they solved the problems in minutes. These 2 are typical replies (just an unverified observation):

Sonu:
I was searching for a language with which i can do nearly anything what i want in windows.

Cimperiali:
…Vb (and in the earlier times Basic) was easy to learn, and gave satisfactions since early times …

Do you agree that (another observation) …

- VC users tend to focus more on the power it wields and believed that solutions are more obtainable because of such power?

- VB users believed that solutions are more obtainable if one is more focused on the material problem at hand?

Gabriel:
"...but once you have mastered and understand how it works, you will be happyest if the circumstances allow you to program in C++ and don't force you to use any other language".

This seemed to articulate very well. The easiest language to handle I think is not VB or VC. It's the one you have mastered. The only problem here is that VC is more difficult to master.

BTW, thanks for the link Gabriel. It's a worthy info.




Jeff, sometimes, I would like to think that QB45 is more powerful than VB. The former can execute assembly instructions, directly access memory and many things, from within the language itself. Many of these features are stripped out of VB except that latter is saved by call to API.




My initial reading (September 10, 2002 - 8PM [GMT+8])

31.25% - VC/C Only
18.75% - VB Only
06.25% - Both but more on VC/C
43.75% - Both but more on VB
00.00% - Almost equally VB & VC/C

VCers outnumbered Vbers. But, those who have savored both languages tend to use VB more.

[JeffB]

Originally posted by aio

Jeff, sometimes, I would like to think that QB45 is more powerful than VB. The former can execute assembly instructions, directly access memory and many things, from within the language itself. Many of these features are stripped out of VB except that latter is saved by call to API.

So much funny things to do with QB
So much time passed doing funny things with QB
So limited....

Just want to add to the discussion, Visual C++ use C langage and a strong classes utilisation. That is important to know if you want to be a good developer, you'll have an easy way to learn Delphi or Skrit if you know VC than if you only know VB, and more, C++ can be used on Linux / Unix.

But if you intend to develop on Window, Visual Basic is a most, you can't do a macro using C langage in Excel...

I agree with the aio opinion,
VB -> Easy and limited
VC -> Harder but "stronger"
COBOL -> Hard and limited

Once you have mastered one of them, it is no more Hard!!

JeffB