Win32 API future ...?

**Mick** · May 23rd, 2004, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by NoHero

Can someone tell what this means??

she·nan·i·gan ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sh-nn-gn)
n. Informal

A deceitful trick; an underhanded act.
Remarks intended to deceive; deceit. Often used in the plural.

A playful or mischievous act; a prank.
Mischief; prankishness. Often used in the plural.

In my context...there will not be a 'dying' out of the WIN32 api in 3 years, which was what I was calling shenanigans about.

**ats007spdou** · May 23rd, 2004, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Mick
In my context...there will not be a 'dying' out of the WIN32 api in 3 years, which was what I was calling shenanigans about.

But if TheCPUWizard says is true, than that would severly decrease the usefulness of WinAPI. .NET would pretty much rule the Windows world. I would hate to have to uninstall Visual Studio and install .NET . I love Visual Studio.

And speaking of Longhorn, what is it exactly? I know that it's Microsoft's little new operating system, but is it completely new or something like XP except with more modifications?

**NoHero** · May 23rd, 2004, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by ats007spdou
But if TheCPUWizard says is true, than that would severly decrease the usefulness of WinAPI. .NET would pretty much rule the Windows world. I would hate to have to uninstall Visual Studio and install .NET . I love Visual Studio.

And speaking of Longhorn, what is it exactly? I know that it's Microsoft's little new operating system, but is it completely new or something like XP except with more modifications?

It should become something new ...

... but the future is always unknown at microsoft ... ya know ...?!

**Mick** · May 23rd, 2004, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by ats007spdou
But if TheCPUWizard says is true, than that would severly decrease the usefulness of WinAPI. .NET would pretty much rule the Windows world. I would hate to have to uninstall Visual Studio and install .NET . I love Visual Studio.

It is true to an extent. Why would you think that MS would not go the route of making a developers life easier. Of course many would say it is the dumbing down of developers (VB) (same thing can be said about C and C++) but it's only the dumbing down if you let it be. Take a look around at what you are doing, too many people take the words of others as gospel. Take a look, delve a bit deeper into the OS, the lanquage, the compiler, it is all laid out before you. And with that knowledge you can trick it out

And speaking of Longhorn, what is it exactly? I know that it's Microsoft's little new operating system, but is it completely new or something like XP except with more modifications?

IMHO it's just a couple of new layers to remove you from the resources. It is also an exploration of digital rights management and security. Though they have always been there (if you look) it is more an automation. But I reserve my judegements until around LongHorny sp 2 or so...until then, it is unstable as I deem all products to be unstable until they reach a certain 'risk' level.

**ats007spdou** · May 23rd, 2004, 02:29 PM

I just hope that VS runs in Longhorn. But overall, I'm a little anxious if this .NET garbage starts taking hold and I'm primarily doing WinAPI, I'll be sort of out in the cold(and not to mention unemployed). But I'll take your advice and start learning more about Windows. Or better yet, migrate everything to Linux, that way I'll be unaffected by Microsoft's decisions.

**mdmd** · May 23rd, 2004, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by ats007spdou
But if TheCPUWizard says is true, than that would severly decrease the usefulness of WinAPI. .NET would pretty much rule the Windows world. I would hate to have to uninstall Visual Studio and install .NET . I love Visual Studio.

And speaking of Longhorn, what is it exactly? I know that it's Microsoft's little new operating system, but is it completely new or something like XP except with more modifications?

Googling for info we get....

**indiocolifa** · May 23rd, 2004, 05:15 PM

I think we're going to be able to program on the API, altough it is well known that the API-model of programming will be not more supported by MS.

MFC will be in "bug-fix" mode, don't expect a refreshing MFC 9.0 release... IMHO, programming managed C++ with winforms is FAR better than dying MFC...

**RussG1** · May 23rd, 2004, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by ats007spdou
I would hate to have to uninstall Visual Studio and install .NET . I love Visual Studio.

Visual Studio .NET is still Visual Studio. It still has Visual C++, MFC, Win32 API, etc, but it also allows you to program using Managed C++, C#, etc.

**indiocolifa** · May 23rd, 2004, 10:29 PM

Until Longhorn appears, we've two options (are both are good): Win32 API and .NET (both in C++ of course .. no that C# hybrid, plz)

MFC =

(altough MFC is Win32 API with horrid OOP design)

I never liked that MFC s**t

**ats007spdou** · May 24th, 2004, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by RussG1
Visual Studio .NET is still Visual Studio. It still has Visual C++, MFC, Win32 API, etc, but it also allows you to program using Managed C++, C#, etc.

I know that, but I looked at a book of .NET and one of the things that I found was that the syntax is different(slightly). For the main function, it's something like this.....

Code:

int _main()
{
   return 0;
}

What's with the little dash in the front? One of the things that bug me is why can't they make the syntax look as close as possible to previous languages, so as not to make the learning curve so high? I'm not a professional programmer, hence the angst over the whole .NET thing and stuff.

**indiocolifa** · May 24th, 2004, 12:43 AM

yes, in Windows Forms is

Code:

_tWinMain (...)

Managed C++ is good, but the syntax is crap, you're right. For use managed types, you encounter all double-underscore prefixes....

__gc __value ,etc

MS must fix that in the new VS version, or at least, give a patch for us, .NET 2003 users. I would like to see GARBAGE_COLLECTED instead of __gc,

**hspc** · May 24th, 2004, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by indiocolifa
yes, in Windows Forms is

Code:

_tWinMain (...)

Managed C++ is good, but the syntax is crap, you're right. For use managed types, you encounter all double-underscore prefixes....

__gc __value ,etc

MS must fix that in the new VS version, or at least, give a patch for us, .NET 2003 users. I would like to see GARBAGE_COLLECTED instead of __gc,

take a look at this :
A first look at C++/CLI

**ats007spdou** · May 24th, 2004, 11:13 AM

What is "Managed Code" exactly? I see you guys throw that phrase around, but what does it mean exactly?

**YourSurrogateGod** · May 24th, 2004, 02:12 PM

Is it possible to install Visual Studio .NET Academic version without those stupid updates? I don't have much hardrive space and I would really like to get around that annoying part, is there any way? Thanks in advance.

**indiocolifa** · May 24th, 2004, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by ats007spdou
What is "Managed Code" exactly? I see you guys throw that phrase around, but what does it mean exactly?

With managed code , the cleaning of memory resources that the programmer allocates is done automatically by the OS (or a underlying framework such as NET). Imagine not using anymore delete[] and avoiding many (almost all) memory leaks.

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